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Which brings us back to: what is the creator's source? If you're going to say "eternal matter" again, please provide information on what that even is (you don't seem to even know, but are grabbing for it anyway), and what the source of IT is, since per your assertion here, everything has a source.
Please also provide some proof that everything has a source. You keep saying that but I'm not seeing the proof.
Please don't put words in my mouth. I'll speak for myself.
Well, you just said a conscious creator isn't needed for a conscious creator.
This obviously negates the idea that there must be a conscious creation of everything, since a conscious creator wasn't needed to make a conscious creator.
Simple logic. If even ONE thing does not need a creator, then the ideas "everything needs a creator" and "nothing can exist without having been created" are both negated. Those ideas are now, using your own reasoning, defunct.
Which brings us back to: what is the creator's source? If you're going to say "eternal matter" again, please provide information on what that even is (you don't seem to even know, but are grabbing for it anyway), and what the source of IT is, since per your assertion here, everything has a source.
The eternal matter theory was mentioned by someone else. Regardless, infinite causation is illogical. It makes sense that there would be an ultimate creator that has always existed.
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Please also provide some proof that everything has a source. You keep saying that but I'm not seeing the proof.
Here's my proof: You can't name anything that is source-less.
The eternal matter theory was mentioned by someone else. Regardless, infinite causation is illogical. It makes sense that there would be an ultimate creator that has always existed.
Here's my proof: You can't name anything that is source-less.
The fact that I, one person without a scientific background and of limited intellect, can not name anything that's sourceless is your proof that there's a God?
Well okay then.
Solid reasoning.
An ultimate creator that has always existed is NOT logical if we are to use your own reasoning, which is that nothing can be sourceless. Ironically, the one person using logic that, if it is to be believed, DISproves an "ultimate creator," is you.
I'm sure you can see that it doesn't help our understanding given that this creator is always invisible and undetectable.
How do you explain those who feel different? Why do some (most?) have no problem seeing and knowing a creator?
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