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Old 05-13-2023, 06:23 AM
 
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The purpose should be to end wilful ignorance and superstition.
Miracles cannot be replicated, so what do you do with that phenomenon? Continue to tell people they are lying and try to explain away the non-replicative occurrence?
Perhaps you can start with a template from countries that have successfully limited their citizen's rights concerning religions and Gods.
According to the Pew Research Center (2017), in 10 countries, the state either tightly regulates all religious institutions or is actively hostile to religion in general. These countries include China, Cuba, North Korea, Vietnam, and several former Soviet republics – places where government officials seek to control worship practices, public expressions of religion, and political activity by religious groups.

Pew Research Center. (2017, September 29). Four-in-ten countries have official state religions or preferred religions. Pew Research Center’s Religion & Public Life Project. https://www.pewresearch.org/religion...ereligions-00/
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Old 05-13-2023, 06:24 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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So i am the topic of this thread now? Got it. Have at it.
If the topic is you then I'll throw my two cents in.

I perceive that you see the ability to discern spirituality and divinity as something that requires effort, work and discipline. And that is fine. However sometimes it kind of comes across with the smugness of a conspiracy theorist who thinks they know something other people don't.

I suppose from your perspective you would see it as the atheist who insists or guarantees that there is no God.

I kind of see people like yourself as saying that the Emperor actually does have clothes. They are just invisible to people who don't work hard enough to see 'em.
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Old 05-13-2023, 06:29 AM
 
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If the topic is you then I'll throw my two cents in.

I perceive that you see the ability to discern spirituality and divinity as something that requires effort, work and discipline. And that is fine. However sometimes it kind of comes across with the smugness of a conspiracy theorist who thinks they know something other people don't.

I suppose from your perspective you would see it as the atheist who insists or guarantees that there is no God.

I kind of see people like yourself as saying that the Emperor actually does have clothes. They are just invisible to people who don't work hard enough to see 'em.
The topic is visible and easy to read right at the top of the screen. From my perspective I see atheists as limited.
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Old 05-13-2023, 09:16 AM
 
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Miracles cannot be replicated, so what do you do with that phenomenon?
Why not?

Miracle is a figment of imagination. And as such can be replicated exactly the same way (imagined again and again) as many times as one wants.
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Old 05-13-2023, 11:28 AM
 
Location: SF/Mill Valley
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The purpose should be to end wilful ignorance and superstition.
That you state we ‘should’ be able to do so is indicative of a desire or entitlement to control others’ thoughts - if it were (even) possible. It simply doesn’t work that way, no matter how ignorant one may be.
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Old 05-13-2023, 12:12 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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The purpose should be to end wilful ignorance and superstition.
Yes...and welcome!
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Old 05-15-2023, 10:30 PM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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The topic is visible and easy to read right at the top of the screen. From my perspective I see atheists as limited.
How so? I see atheists as free-thinkers, open-minded and school themselves on every kind of thoughts on pretty much everything. However, if you're closed-minded then you wouldn't see it that way.
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Old 05-15-2023, 10:44 PM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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How so? I see atheists as free-thinkers, open-minded and school themselves on every kind of thoughts on pretty much everything. However, if you're closed-minded then you wouldn't see it that way.
I have no problem with her seeing it that way. Because from my perspective I see religionists as often (but not always) limited and often biogted. In fact, I could go on.

Last edited by phetaroi; 05-16-2023 at 12:02 AM..
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Old 05-15-2023, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Germany
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How so? I see atheists as free-thinkers, open-minded and school themselves on every kind of thoughts on pretty much everything. However, if you're closed-minded then you wouldn't see it that way.
I also asked myself what was meant. I think it was just another meaningless statement to attack atheists while ignoring it is the religious who sometimes want to stop alternate religious paths.
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Old 05-15-2023, 11:55 PM
 
Location: Hickville USA
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I also asked myself what was meant. I think it was just another meaningless statement to attack atheists while ignoring it is the religious who sometimes want to stop alternate religious paths.
I'm not up on all religions but it definitely appears that way. Hearing things like "don't question god's word" or condescension beyond belief from all of the ones I'm familiar with here. Seems like hacidic jews (ever noticed that the word acid is in the middle of hacidic), hindi and pantheists are the worst offenders. It's the arrogance and self-righteousness of some religions that make all of it look bad. And yes, that is the rub....be in the world but not of it, says the bible. No critical thinking, rationality, logicism and good old reasoning and thinking on one's own.

"Think for yourself, or others will think for you, without thinking of you" - Thoreau
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