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Old 04-20-2009, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I don't believe in them, but can we find a sound scientific explanation for them? I kind of think most claims to "irrefutable miracles" (i.e. unexplained medical occurences) are just outside of our current knoweledge.
What do you think?
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Old 04-20-2009, 05:58 PM
 
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That's pretty much my thinking on it too.

Just because something can't be explained doesn't mean I would automatically asign some kind of higher power at work value.

That said, I have no problem calling something a miracle.
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Old 04-20-2009, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Nashville, Tn
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I can't think of any known phenomenon that appears to be a miracle and is just lacking a scientific explanation. All of the miracles I've seen appear to be hoaxes, photographic screwups, or just plain potatoheadism.
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Old 04-20-2009, 09:00 PM
 
Location: Jacksonville, FL
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I can't think of any known phenomenon that appears to be a miracle and is just lacking a scientific explanation. All of the miracles I've seen appear to be hoaxes, photographic screwups, or just plain potatoheadism.
Yeah, I'd say all the apparitions and appearances are almost certainly make-believe (I'm extra skeptical of the usual uneducated, imaginative children who claim to see Mary), but how do we explain the tilma of Juan Diego? I don't believe it's a miracle, simply a fabrication, but I was wondering what other atheistic takes on it might be...
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Old 04-20-2009, 10:22 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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I don't believe there are any true miracles. There is always another explanation.
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Old 04-20-2009, 11:15 PM
 
Location: Metromess
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The word 'miracle' is one of the most overused in the language, along with 'hero'. A miracle is simply something highly unusual which can't be definitively explained given our current state of knowledge. That is, unless it's a complete sham or fabrication, as religious ones tend to be.
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Old 04-21-2009, 12:22 AM
 
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It's weird isn't it. Someone lives in a world that is subject to the laws of nature 24/7 and as soon as something they have no explanation for, they will think the laws were broken for some purpose.
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Old 04-21-2009, 03:07 AM
 
Location: OKC
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Many times, it's just the laws of probability finally getting around to those 1 out of 1,000,000 odds. No one is counting the 999999 times a miracle didn't happen.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:55 AM
 
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I can't think of any known phenomenon that appears to be a miracle and is just lacking a scientific explanation. All of the miracles I've seen appear to be hoaxes, photographic screwups, or just plain potatoheadism.
The existence of the universe is one that can't be explained by science.
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Old 04-21-2009, 09:58 AM
 
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The existence of the universe is one that can't be explained by science.
Not relevant to the OP.
It would be a miracle if you stopped mucking around in the A&A forum.
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