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Old 08-27-2009, 06:53 PM
 
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because when a fundamentalist initiates conversation to talk about god he is accused of preaching, when an atheist does it he is "just talking about it"

frankly i can't stand it when people start sentences with " well i'm christian and we believe" any more than i care to hear " haha you silly christians"

there are a lot of valid points in atheism, but all most peole can see is hateful self indulgent boasting from people that are frankly pretty useless in all other ways.

who wants to be lectured about the nonexistence of god from a potsmoking 25 yr old thats barely graduated community college and works full time at blockbuster video?

i feel like so many atheists are just slugs that look for anything to feel superior about.

truly enlightened people do not LOOK for chances to lecture
Wow...atheists are useless in all other ways except for their self indulgent boasting? Tell that to the large percentage or doctors, scientists, and professors who are atheists. Many I'm sure who have had some sort of impact on your life.
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Old 08-28-2009, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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because when a fundamentalist initiates conversation to talk about god he is accused of preaching, when an atheist does it he is "just talking about it"

frankly i can't stand it when people start sentences with " well i'm christian and we believe" any more than i care to hear " haha you silly christians"

there are a lot of valid points in atheism, but all most peole can see is hateful self indulgent boasting from people that are frankly pretty useless in all other ways.

who wants to be lectured about the nonexistence of god from a potsmoking 25 yr old thats barely graduated community college and works full time at blockbuster video?

i feel like so many atheists are just slugs that look for anything to feel superior about.

truly enlightened people do not LOOK for chances to lecture
Yeah right, so you are not truly enlightened I guess. By the way, how are the working conditions at Blockbuster?
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Old 08-28-2009, 10:25 AM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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All those christians who tried to convert me are not truly enlightened then...aha that makes sense ...
and anyone working at blockbuster nowadays may have a degree or two...smarter than the average bear anyway, where they work, does not tell you how intelligent a person is(especially with jobs being so scarse). I always thought only fools label people according to where they work or what they look like or what they wear...
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:05 PM
 
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I believe one is about 2 times as likely to have a PhD if they are an atheist then if they are a theist.

There is no question, several studies have shown that there is a positive relationship between atheism and education.
i would LOVE to see THAT study.
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Old 08-28-2009, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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i would LOVE to see THAT study.
How about this one? Among the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), seven per cent expressed personal belief in a “God in intellectual and affective communication with humankind,” 20.8 % claimed doubt or agnosticism and 72.2% chose personal disbelief....July 23, 1998 study by Edward J. Larson and Larry Witham
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:12 AM
 
Location: OKC
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i would LOVE to see THAT study.
http://www.city-data.com/forum/10485361-post28.html
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Old 08-29-2009, 12:00 PM
 
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How about this one? Among the National Academy of Sciences (NAS), seven per cent expressed personal belief in a “God in intellectual and affective communication with humankind,” 20.8 % claimed doubt or agnosticism and 72.2% chose personal disbelief....July 23, 1998 study by Edward J. Larson and Larry Witham
that makes them skeptical not atheist. i can believe in god and not be a Methodist.
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Old 08-30-2009, 04:56 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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that makes them skeptical not atheist. i can believe in god and not be a Methodist.
I think your distinction between skepticism and atheism is a largely ficticious one, perhaps based on the rather unfair definition of atheists as god-deniers or those who say 'there is no God'.

The skeptic has
"1 : an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object" disbelief in some thing, for example, gods.

"2 a : the doctrine that true knowledge or knowledge in a particular area is uncertain b : the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism characteristic of skeptics" not knowing 'a- gnosticism' Not knowing about things such as gods.

All that an atheist is is someone that has no knowledge of any gods and what you don't know is there, you shouldn't believe in.
An atheist had no good evidence to show there is any god and so much reason to suppose there isn't a 'personal' god that he may be forgiven for saying there isn't one or even that he 'knows' there is no god. In the same way, you might say that you 'know' there are no dragons or fairies.

Logically, you don't Know that, but your scepticism is so well based that you would feel yourself justified in not believing in them and in thinking that anyone that did believe in them had something wrong with their brains.

That's how atheists feel about gods and the people who believe in them.
  • Main Entry: athe·ist
  • Pronunciation: \ˈā-thē-ist\
  • Function: noun
  • Date: 1551
: one who believes that there is no deity
athe·is·tic \ˌā-thē-ˈis-tik\ or athe·is·ti·cal \ˌā-thē-ˈis-ti-kəl\ adjective
athe·is·ti·cal·ly \-ti-k(ə-)lē\ adverb

(Websters)

This reflects a theist viewpoint and it's an understandable one, though the 'thinking' atheist woudl prefer the definition 'one who does not believe that there is a deity.'

It may seem a small matter but it is more correct because it is the theist that has the belief, not the atheist. The atheist has the non - belief.

Main Entry: skep·ti·cal
Pronunciation: \-ti-kəl\
Function: adjective
Date: 1639
: relating to, characteristic of, or marked by skepticism <a skeptical listener>
— skep·ti·cal·ly \-k(ə-)lē\ adverb
Main Entry: skep·tic
Pronunciation: \ˈskep-tik\
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin or Greek; Latin scepticus, from Greek skeptikos, from skeptikos thoughtful, from skeptesthai to look, consider — more at spy
Date: 1587
1 : an adherent or advocate of skepticism
2 : a person disposed to skepticism especially regarding religion or religious principles
Main Entry: skep·ti·cism
Pronunciation: \ˈskep-tə-ˌsi-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1646
1 : an attitude of doubt or a disposition to incredulity either in general or toward a particular object
2 a : the doctrine that true knowledge or knowledge in a particular area is uncertain b : the method of suspended judgment, systematic doubt, or criticism characteristic of skeptics
3 : doubt concerning basic religious principles (as immortality, providence, and revelation)
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Old 01-27-2010, 10:30 PM
 
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That was such a beautiful video and I believe that the athiest's of world are what create healthy change in the world. Now if we could get all children to believe in self...just imagine what a world this would be?
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