Braves Revenue Declines due to poor game attendance (Atlanta, Pitts: neighborhood, income)

[magnetar]

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

Also, look at places that have two teams, the Bay Area has a whole bay separating two teams. They won't add to Atlanta just because of population and the fact some fans feel scorned.

LOL, a whole bay! You know it's basically the same distance from AT&T Park in SF to O.co Coliseum in Oakland, as it is from Turner Field to the future SunTrust Park, right?

Nobody's suggesting that Atlanta would get a second team because of anyone's feels, they're speculating that there might be enough people, and demand for baseball, to warrant it. We'll only know for sure after we see if the Braves can get any less-terrible after their move.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by magnetar

LOL, a whole bay! You know it's basically the same distance from AT&T Park in SF to O.co Coliseum in Oakland, as it is from Turner Field to the future SunTrust Park, right?

Nobody's suggesting that Atlanta would get a second team because of anyone's feels, they're speculating that there might be enough people, and demand for baseball, to warrant it. We'll only know for sure after we see if the Braves can get any less-terrible after their move.

It's not the distance, it's the fact the bay divides the whole area. You gonna drive from San Mateo to San Fran or to Oakland-Alameda? You gonna drive from Heyward to Oakland or to San Fran? Atlanta doesn't have a great geographical divide. The bay is narrow up near San Fran but certainly not to the south. And there's loads of people between Turner Field and future Suntrust. No one's commuting from the center of the bay. The geography and population of the Bay Area leads itself to a dichotomy in population concentration. Atlanta doesn't have a situation like that. Here's a map of population density in the Bay Area. You think that's a place that can support one central team? Or is better off with 2?

And from jsvh "Not to mention they already have a built-in rivalry with the Braves that will attract them many fans (like me) that still like baseball but will no longer be supporting the Braves."
Literally suggesting feelings will cause a sudden interest in a second team. Anyway, Atlanta does not have the population or support for a 2nd team. It can barely support the ones it has unless they're winning the division or conference. Considering MLB hasn't added a 2nd team to a metro area in half a century, I'm not holding my breath on Atlanta.

[magnetar]

Uhh, I think the biggest difference is the significantly larger population, and the existence of a second major city in the metro area. If Cobb becomes what Cobb thinks it will become, we might just have both of those some day.

[Gulch]

Originally Posted by magnetar

Uhh, I think the biggest difference is the significantly larger population, and the existence of a second major city in the metro area. If Cobb becomes what Cobb thinks it will become, we might just have both of those some day.

Again, even if the demand warranted a second Atlanta team (and it won't) the Braves would kill it due to MLB territorial rights.

[jsvh]

Yeah, I am fine with just a minor league team that people in the city can get to. Loved the Savannah Sand Gnat games I have been too. Something like that that is somewhere along the Beltline / LRT route with affordable tickets and beer would be a big winner.

[LovelySummer]

It's not the presence of the Bay. I've lived there. It is the rivalry between ppl in Oakland versus people in San Francisco. It's like living in two different cities - pun intended. They treat it like that too. It is like CHICAGO CUBS versus CHICAGO WHITE SOX fans. Either you're a white sox fan or a cubs fan and never the two shall mix. This from a Chicagoan. The rivalry will never go away and I will never set foot in Wrigley Field. Ever. I don't even like going to Wrigleyville. LOL. Comiskey Park (yes, Comiskey, not that madness of the new name) is where it's at.

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

It's not the distance, it's the fact the bay divides the whole area. You gonna drive from San Mateo to San Fran or to Oakland-Alameda? You gonna drive from Heyward to Oakland or to San Fran? Atlanta doesn't have a great geographical divide. The bay is narrow up near San Fran but certainly not to the south. And there's loads of people between Turner Field and future Suntrust. No one's commuting from the center of the bay. The geography and population of the Bay Area leads itself to a dichotomy in population concentration. Atlanta doesn't have a situation like that. Here's a map of population density in the Bay Area. You think that's a place that can support one central team? Or is better off with 2?

And from jsvh "Not to mention they already have a built-in rivalry with the Braves that will attract them many fans (like me) that still like baseball but will no longer be supporting the Braves."
Literally suggesting feelings will cause a sudden interest in a second team. Anyway, Atlanta does not have the population or support for a 2nd team. It can barely support the ones it has unless they're winning the division or conference. Considering MLB hasn't added a 2nd team to a metro area in half a century, I'm not holding my breath on Atlanta.

[sedimenjerry]

Originally Posted by magnetar

Uhh, I think the biggest difference is the significantly larger population, and the existence of a second major city in the metro area. If Cobb becomes what Cobb thinks it will become, we might just have both of those some day.

Cobb itself will just be a large county like Gwinnett. If there's gonna be any large edge city, it would be Sandy Springs/Perimeter Center. Dallas-Ft Worth is much more fitting. A lot of people on the Ft Worth side can't stand being compared to Dallas or being looked at as a suburb. They insist it's its own city and indeed it does have the bones of one. There's definitely a downtown and the whole nine yards, something that's lacking in Atlanta (as far as there being a 2nd city). And DFW has a large metro population anyway.

Originally Posted by LovelySummer

It's not the presence of the Bay. I've lived there. It is the rivalry between ppl in Oakland versus people in San Francisco. It's like living in two different cities - pun intended. They treat it like that too. It is like CHICAGO CUBS versus CHICAGO WHITE SOX fans. Either you're a white sox fan or a cubs fan and never the two shall mix. This from a Chicagoan. The rivalry will never go away and I will never set foot in Wrigley Field. Ever. I don't even like going to Wrigleyville. LOL. Comiskey Park (yes, Comiskey, not that madness of the new name) is where it's at.

I figured there were cultural reasons as well but I didn't have any evidence or knowledge on that.

[lightofurlife]

The Braves will never get another dollar out of me.

Cobb county can have them

[toll_booth]

Originally Posted by Gulch

That will never happen.

Originally Posted by sedimenjerry

Metro Atlanta isn't getting a 2nd team in any sport before DFW or Houston. And it will have nothing to do with intown location or demand to see something in the city. Atlanta can barely support one team. It's not large enough to support 2.

Originally Posted by atler8

Seriously, no...this will never happen for several reasons.

Originally Posted by cqholt

Atlanta will never get a 2nd MLB team.

Agreed. This idea of having one MLB in Smyrna and another in the CoA might be fun to speculate about, but in reality it is never going to happen. Whether they're in Summerhill or Cumberland, the Braves are metro Atlanta's one and only MLB team. As the owners of the only MLB team in the entire Southeast except for the state of Florida, Liberty Media will absolutely never give up that many media rights to a new team barely 10 miles away.

[Saintmarks]

The endless threads denigrating the Braves because of their move are getting tiresome. Revenue is down because the team sucks this year. End of discussion.