New details confirmed by AJC on casino legislation in Georgia (Atlanta: for sale, to live)

[fieldm]

Originally Posted by Hokiehaven

Yes, I don't drink or smoke, but I don't care what other people do. I don't think it's particularly good, but that's on your own property or where you go, a casino is public land for all that would be ruined.

I don't care if you gamble, Las Vegas is fine, I've gone and had fun, but I don't want it downtown, if Columbus wants it, sure I don't care.

Show me one person that wants it anywhere near where they live.

But they are ok living near alcohol / tobacco stores or restaurants that serve alcohol? ?

[fourthwarden]

Originally Posted by fieldm

If its not my business then its not your business where they put a casino. Stop being a hypocrite supporting alcohol and tobacco and being against a casino

Originally Posted by fieldm

But they are ok living near alcohol / tobacco stores or restaurants that serve alcohol? ?

That's not at ALL how this works. There is a VAST difference in scale between a neighborhood package store or smoke shop and a MEGA BLOCK CASINO.

The difference is that the first two don't TAKE AN ENTIRE BLOCK and can be surrounded with additional businesses, integrate with the street much better, and even be incorporated into other businesses that don't kill off the block.

Again and again and again. It IS NOT A MORAL PROBLEM. It is a BUILD ENVIRONMENT problem.

Try not be so blinded by your own flawed sense of moral superiority.

[atltechdude]

If Atlanta is going to continue growing into more of a world city, I think we can support things like a casino. Sure it's not for everyone but that's the great thing about world class cities, they have a wide variety of attractions catering to a diverse culture with varying interests.

Also, I think if there is a developer that thinks investing 2 billion into building a casino here would be profitable then we would be dumb to turn that down.

[tikigod311]

I dunno if my issue is a moral one, but I'm just not a supporter of adding a entity whose sole purpose is to suck money from the local populace and move it elsewhere. All while providing absolutely negligible value. I kind of think you're a sucker if you are cheering this on.

I'm not going to fight hard against a casino, but I would be happy if it just never happened. If it does happen, it needs to do so to the maximum benefit of the local populace. There is not a single good reason to take less and I really appreciate Gov Deal for demanding more.

Tell me I'm a hypocrite, fine. But really I'm just being thoughtful and considering the consequences. As opposed to the black and white "well, this vice is ok so all should be allowed" thought process. That works on a Federal level IMO but State and local is a whole different ball game.

[fieldm]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

I dunno if my issue is a moral one, but I'm just not a supporter of adding a entity whose sole purpose is to suck money from the local populace and move it elsewhere. All while providing absolutely negligible value. I kind of think you're a sucker if you are cheering this on.

I'm not going to fight hard against a casino, but I would be happy if it just never happened. If it does happen, it needs to do so to the maximum benefit of the local populace. There is not a single good reason to take less and I really appreciate Gov Deal for demanding more.

Tell me I'm a hypocrite, fine. But really I'm just being thoughtful and considering the consequences. As opposed to the black and white "well, this vice is ok so all should be allowed" thought process. That works on a Federal level IMO but State and local is a whole different ball game.

Concerts, professional sports, alcohol / tobacco companies, national tours, etc etc do the same. Are you against them being in Atlanta?

[tikigod311]

I would argue that they are not the same at all as this form of "entertainment" is only "entertaining" by way of risking your personal wealth.

Gambling = Entertainment is a scam perpetuated the house. Gambling = preying on human weakness. Even if you are "smart" about it, it's always a bad decision.

[atltechdude]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

I would argue that they are not the same at all as this form of "entertainment" is only "entertaining" by way of risking your personal wealth.

Gambling = Entertainment is a scam perpetuated the house. Gambling = preying on human weakness. Even if you are "smart" about it, it's always a bad decision.

Nonsense. Going to a casino and playing some games because you like to play those games is not a bad decision if that's how you want to spend your entertainment budget.

It's only a bad decision in the context of addiction or if the behavior becomes unhealthy to the point that you are spending too much of your money on the habit to the detriment of your quality of life. But that can apply to virtually ANYTHING in life if you overindulge in something.

[fieldm]

Originally Posted by tikigod311

I would argue that they are not the same at all as this form of "entertainment" is only "entertaining" by way of risking your personal wealth.

Gambling = Entertainment is a scam perpetuated the house. Gambling = preying on human weakness. Even if you are "smart" about it, it's always a bad decision.

Do you risk your personal wealth by drinking alcohol / smoking?

[tikigod311]

It's a "game" like the shell game being played on street corner is a "game". It's a scam preying on human weakness. That's not entertainment, that's your stupid human brain thinking it can win.

Hey, I was in a casino 2 weeks ago. It was mildly fun but I know why I was there. I made a bad decision but I was fine with it.

[tikigod311]

Originally Posted by fieldm

Do you risk your personal wealth by drinking alcohol / smoking?

Perfect example!

The fun of smoking or drinking is not solely risking money. It is the "pleasure" of smoking or the effects of drinking. They actually do something, chemically. May not be a good something, but it's not just a wealth transfer device hiding behind "entertainment".