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So will cars from today be classics and eye candy to people 40 years from now? And I don't mean the Camry, Civic, or Fusion. I am talking the Mustang, Camaro, 370z, CTS-V, SSR, Challenger, XTS, etc.
Very possibly. Maybe also the Miata, the ATS, the MINI Cooper. Possibly the Focus ST, Mazdaspeed3, and Subaru WRX as well.
But it's so close to the trunk lid... how can it be effective?
Technically it's tall enough to be effective. Air still partially follows a cars lines as it passes over the rear. Because its about mif way up the back window, its in the slipstream. The main reason the daytona/super birds wing is so high is to clear the opening trunk. Otherwise it could be level with the roofline or lower. Unlike the STi its wing isnt on the trunk door.
You mean a full size/ large car has about 4 cu ft more trunk space than a mid size CamEry??
Amazing....
Btw, not withstanding youre anectdotal evidence. By raw numbers todays cars are much safer.
Funny how little you know about REAL car sizing. Not the duped current idiots of the US Dept. of Motor Vehicles. Park a last year Crown Vic next to say a 1975 LTD, and you will see it is NOT a full size car. It cracks me up that a compact like a camery is called a mid sized car. IT'S A COMPACT ! Nothing more. Todays Impala is a compact too. So is a Taurus.
Technically it's tall enough to be effective. Air still partially follows a cars lines as it passes over the rear. Because its about mif way up the back window, its in the slipstream. The main reason the daytona/super birds wing is so high is to clear the opening trunk. Otherwise it could be level with the roofline or lower. Unlike the STi its wing isnt on the trunk door.
The Superbird and Daytona wings were tall to clear the trunk lid, BUT in testing in the wind tunnel, they were more effective at the height they were than at roof or lower levels. Chrysler was going to put it where it was most effective no matter what. There was even a couple designs ready that would have had trunk lid mounted wings had they been more effective. But they were not. Altogether there were over 30 wing/spoiler designs tested. The one on the cars where the best in their testing. They not only looked at down force, (and they had a cool height of the car measuring device during testing, this did show what was putting most downforce on the car), but also airspeed around and especially behind the car. Another consideration was air tumble and curling behind the car. With the wing used, an unwanted vacuum behind the car was cut by over 60 percent! It would be like making the rear of the car have most of the pointed nose. However, with that addition, had they done it, it eliminated over 70 % of the wings effectiveness.
The Superbird and Daytona wings were tall to clear the trunk lid, BUT in testing in the wind tunnel, they were more effective at the height they were than at roof or lower levels. Chrysler was going to put it where it was most effective no matter what. There was even a couple designs ready that would have had trunk lid mounted wings had they been more effective. But they were not. Altogether there were over 30 wing/spoiler designs tested. The one on the cars where the best in their testing. They not only looked at down force, (and they had a cool height of the car measuring device during testing, this did show what was putting most downforce on the car), but also airspeed around and especially behind the car. Another consideration was air tumble and curling behind the car. With the wing used, an unwanted vacuum behind the car was cut by over 60 percent! It would be like making the rear of the car have most of the pointed nose. However, with that addition, had they done it, it eliminated over 70 % of the wings effectiveness.
Thanks for explaining it thoroughly. I was going to attempt to do that, but I had a feeling I would have to go into further details because some members here would insist the rear stabilizer was at the height is was only to clear the trunk lid. No, with the thorough testing they did, and as you mentioned, it was mounted at the most effective height.
Funny how little you know about REAL car sizing. Not the duped current idiots of the US Dept. of Motor Vehicles. Park a last year Crown Vic next to say a 1975 LTD, and you will see it is NOT a full size car. It cracks me up that a compact like a camery is called a mid sized car. IT'S A COMPACT ! Nothing more. Todays Impala is a compact too. So is a Taurus.
Actually the term compact refers to interior volume, not exterior dimensions. Same with full size and mid size and sub-compact. Older cars were grossly inefficient in interior volumes, which is why cars like the Falcon and Valiant were compacts, but yet longer than cars like modern Civics and Focus'.
The Camry is a mid size because it has more interior volume than old school mid sizers (what we used to call intermediates) like Chevelles and Torinos.
Funny how little you know about REAL car sizing. Not the duped current idiots of the US Dept. of Motor Vehicles. Park a last year Crown Vic next to say a 1975 LTD, and you will see it is NOT a full size car. It cracks me up that a compact like a camery is called a mid sized car. IT'S A COMPACT ! Nothing more. Todays Impala is a compact too. So is a Taurus.
So the "real" car sizing is the one made up inside your head... riiigght... now if you could only figure out how to spell "camry" properly after 3 or 4 tries, after its been corrected for you no less, one might be able to believe that inside that head is more than a 4th grade education.
The problem with all these new mid size to compact cars having more interior volume than some of the older bigger cars of the past is due to the manufacturer's desperately trying to squeeze every last inch of interior space out of such a small car that they have sacrificed styling by basically eliminating any real hood and trunk.
Many of the new modern cars built in the last few years have huge doors that are not only long, but tall. Short hoods and trunks personally don't look good to me. They will always make a car look stubby especially if the car is a mid-size vehicle. Or even worse, a compact.
This is why IMO so many modern cars are ugly as sin. Designers struggle to style a car with smaller exterior dimensions without them looking so bloated or eggy. Cadillac is one company that has at least been able to implement some hard edges and creases into their new models.
The new 14 CTS is a great example of how just slightly lengthening the car can truly improve the looks of it since designers have more room to work with. I believe an old quote from the famous GM stylist Harley Earl once said......
"Styling a small car is like trying to dress up a midget, it just doesn't work", or something to that nature.
The wing on a Plymouth Superbird only worked at a very fast speed, 150mph or greater made them most efficient in pushing air down on the rear end of a posi rear car
Within speed limit 55mph they did practically nothing
The wing on a Plymouth Superbird only worked at a very fast speed, 150mph or greater made them most efficient in pushing air down on the rear end of a posi rear car
Within speed limit 55mph they did practically nothing
And they were made for NASCAR, where speeds reach over 150MPH, even back then. So what's your point?
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