Boston Racial Stigma- is it "cool" to hate on Boston? (Quincy: shoppers, garden)

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

That proved his point...You just named a bunch fi white asian male things like he said lol. None of that is any different than the wealthy/privileged in Boston..at all....really.

Not trying to pick a fight just..look at the ethnicities you listed. I'm willing to bet even the Mexican was white...

But from what I hear and read the fashion industry is extremely racial/racist.

extremely racist. And the kids who go to FIT are some of the worst human beings you will ever meet, on god.

[achtung baby]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

That proved his point...You just named a bunch fi white asian male things like he said lol. None of that is any different than the wealthy/privileged in Boston..at all....really.

Not trying to pick a fight just..look at the ethnicities you listed. I'm willing to bet even the Mexican was white...

But from what I hear and read the fashion industry is extremely racial/racist.

How do you know there were no black Brits or black French in the group I hung out with?

I mentioned the nationality, (British rocker was biracial.) and no the Mexican kid isn’t white. I’m not white nor were the Asians I was friends with.

People grew up and changed. One of my long time (since 2001) best friends in NYC is black from Maryland. When we met she (only 18 at the time) said something to me, shockingly: “everybody in Maryland is mixed. There’s no racial problem in Maryland.” (She grew up in Montgomery county.) She also worshipped Oprah, worked her way up to be the fashion director in InStyle. (your hearsay about fashion industry racism is just hearsay. The same thing some might hearsay that “Boston is a racist city!”.)

Now she gave up on corporate American 9-5 white collar job, moved to Paris (I inspired her she said.) and wrote for magazines, proceeded to travel to 35 countries with very little money. (She didn’t come from money.) She’s now very devoted to her black female empowerment movement, serves as a mentor to inner city black girls and sees the world (and her disadvantage as a black woman in the U.S) realistically.

My another best friend (since 2003) was a black single mom raising a son with autism in Maplewood NJ. Through her lens I saw a more realistic view on NYC or the world (because it’s true I’m “wealthy and privileged”?) and we remained such good friends because I treat everyone equally with respect and she didn’t sugarcoat nor did I walk on the eggshell just because of her race/our race. I’m definitely not some “bougie” capitalism white privileged apologist. I’m in the process of moving to Europe permanently because I prefer the European socialism model, in the U.S we mock the weak and vulnerable which never sits right with me.

And I made it very clear in my post I acknowledged his point while admitting I never struggled? And all that experiences happened without my choice in my very early ‘20s?

Now, let’s not give me any more attention. My experiences early on in NYC were a part of who I am today but you can’t pin that as racism, segregation or made it sound like I’m the Gwyneth Paltrow type, lol. I am not.

This thread is about Boston, you guys should go back discussing it.

[SonnyDaze]

Manhattan is actually less white than what was reported on the last page:

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...york/PST045222

Manhattan

45.8% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
26.4% Hispanic/Latino
18.5% Black
13% Asian

Boston

44% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
23.5% Black
19.8% Hispanic
9.7% Asian

[achtung baby]

Originally Posted by masssachoicetts

extremely racist. And the kids who go to FIT are some of the worst human beings you will ever meet, on god.

The fact: the majority of FIT kids (non-international) were from NJ and Long Island. At least that’s the type I encountered in fashion industry. They were the worst kind. Suburban and insular, unsophisticated but arrogant (because of their “proximity” to NYC.)

True story: some of them claimed the word “metro” meant NYC.

[BostonBornMassMade]

Originally Posted by ainsley1999

How do you know there’s no black Brits or black French in the group I hung out with?

I mentioned the nationality, (British rocker was biracial.) and no the Mexican kid isn’t white. I’m not white nor were the Asians I was friends with.

People grew up and changed. One of my long time (since 2001) best friends in NYC is black from Maryland. When we met she (only 18 at the time) said something to me, shockingly: “everybody in Maryland is mixed. There’s no racial problem in Maryland.” (She grew up in Montgomery county.) She also worshipped Oprah, worked her way up to be the fashion director in InStyle. (your hearsay about fashion industry racism is just hearsay. The same thing some might hearsay that “Boston is a racist city!”.)

Now she gave up on corporate American 9-5 white collar job, moved to Paris (I inspired her she said.) and wrote for magazines, proceeded to travel to 35 countries with very little money. (She didn’t come from money.) She’s now very devoted to her black female empowerment movement, serves as a mentor to inner city black girls and sees the world (and her disadvantage as a black woman in the U.S) realistically.

My another best friend (since 2003) was a black single mom raising a son with autism in Maplewood NJ. Through her lens I saw a more realistic view on NYC or the world (because it’s true I’m “wealthy and privileged”?) and we remained such good friends because I treat everyone equally. I’m definitely not some “bougie” capitalism white privileged apologist. I’m in fact moving to Europe permanently because I prefer the European socialism model, in the U.S we mock the weak and vulnerable which never sits right with me.

And I made it very clear in my post I acknowledged his point while admitting I never struggled? And all that experiences happened without my choice in my very early ‘20s?

Now, let’s not give me any more attention. My experiences early on in NYC were a part of who I am today but you can’t pin that as racism, or segregation or made it sound like I’m the Gwyneth Paltrow type, lol. I am not.

This thread is about Boston, you guys should go back discussing it.

"I'm not white" people almost never give their own racial identity. Do you mind providing us with your racial background?

The point is- in every major city the privileged and wealthy are typically a cadre of privileged wealthy kids from all over the world. They typically coalesce in the best areas of any given city. It's not unique to New York. I find the same thing in Boston. The wealthy elite is usually a bunch of ethnicities not really represented by the bulk of the city's immigrants. Most of the wealthiest people I knew in Boston were Russian, Iranian, Ethiopian, Hong Kong-ian (?), Burmese, Lebanese and American. maybe that's not every city- but it's certainly Boston.

Doesnt really speak to the diversity of the neighborhood though and usually isn't reflective of a city's overall demography. And yes, you're right really has nothing to do with the point of the thread. I think its pretty clear there's some level of signaling and cultural cache that comes with disliking Bosotn at leas tin the Black community. It signals and awareness and pride in self. As well as general hipness or respect for others if you're (young and) white.

At the EOD Boston is an equally expensive/exclusive city, and very socially segregated city without much tourism from POC let alone Black people. But using segregation as a proxy for racism is flawed for what I think are obvious reasons.

[achtung baby]

Originally Posted by BostonBornMassMade

"I'm not white" people almost never give their own racial identity. Do you mind providing us with your racial background?

The point is- in every major city the privileged and wealthy are typically a cadre of privileged wealthy kids from all over the world. They typically coalesce in the best areas of any given city. It's not unique to New York. I find the same thing in Boston. The wealthy elite is usually a bunch of ethnicities not really represented by the bulk of the city's immigrants. Most of the wealthiest people I knew in Boston were Russian, Iranian, Ethiopian, Hong Kong-ian (?), Burmese, Lebanese and American. maybe that's not every city- but it's certainly Boston.

Doesnt really speak to the diversity of the neighborhood though and usually isn't reflective of a city's overall demography. And yes, you're right really has nothing to do with the point of the thread.

At the EOD Boston is an equally expensive/exclusive city, and very socially segregated city without much tourism from POC let alone Black people. But using segregation as a proxy for racism is flawed for what I think are obvious reasons.

I’ve been saying in almost my posts here on c-d that i am Asian (mostly Taiwanese with Japanese and French but I identify as Taiwanese.) Born and raised in Taipei and moved to Paris as a teenager. Proud to be Asian. Never hide my identity.

You’re very passionate, I admire that.

[masssachoicetts]

Originally Posted by ainsley1999

The fact: the majority of FIT kids (non-international) were from NJ and Long Island. At least that’s the type I encountered in fashion industry. They were the worst kind. Suburban and insular, unsophisticated but arrogant (because of their “proximity” to NYC.)

True story: some of them claimed the word “metro” meant NYC.

yeah i can 100% see this. The NJ and LI (And CT) kids who romanticize NYC and become who we are talking about are the actual worst. I know so many of these people who have awful pasts (Like recent pasts) and embody a fake persona to advantage themselves in a certain industry. Which is not specific to NYC, and NYC is not even close to the worst offender when it comes to this. Boston has its fair share.

I hate to say it, most of these people from experience are racist/hidden racists. I am white (but occasionally pass as a light skin Hispanic), so other white people tend to make comments to me and think I am in agreement with them. Some of the crap I heard is awful.

[Boston Shudra]

Originally Posted by CincyExpert

Manhattan is actually less white than what was reported on the last page:

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...york/PST045222

Manhattan

45.8% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
26.4% Hispanic/Latino
18.5% Black
13% Asian

Boston

44% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
23.5% Black
19.8% Hispanic
9.7% Asian

Yes, but both Manhattan and Boston proper are pretty large. Those numbers aren't evenly distributed across the whole cities. For example,

Boston:

The North End, 02113
82.6% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
9.7% Hispanic
3.7% Asian
3.4% Black Non-Hispanic/Latino

Roxbury, 02121
54.2% Black Non-Hispanic/Latino
33.4% Hispanic
6.3% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
0.2% Asian

Manhattan:

Greenwich Village, 10014
81.3% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
8.8% Hispanic
4.6% Asian
1.6% Black Non-Hispanic/Latino

Harlem, 10030
53.7% Black Non-Hispanic/Latino
28.8% Hispanic
9.8% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
3.3% Asian

https://data.census.gov/table?t=Race...3002&moe=false

[stanley-88888888]

Originally Posted by CincyExpert

Manhattan is actually less white than what was reported on the last page:

https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fa...york/PST045222

Manhattan

45.8% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
26.4% Hispanic/Latino
18.5% Black
13% Asian

Boston

44% White Non-Hispanic/Latino
23.5% Black
19.8% Hispanic
9.7% Asian

couple of nit-picks... hispanic is not a race (so it should cumulatively not add up to 100%)...
not sure if it was a tupo but i assume there wood be many more non-hipanic latin-americans in the boston area than n.y.c. area (specifically haitian-americans but they are usually counted under black. maybe even cape verde too -- some peeple are wary of counting them as black even though they are literally african but they dont speak spanish -- maybe protugeese is close enuff ?).
not sure what i'm reading here ?

[stanley-88888888]

Originally Posted by ainsley1999

I’ve been saying in almost my posts here on c-d that i am Asian (mostly Taiwanese with Japanese and French but I identify as Taiwanese.) Born and raised in Taipei and moved to Paris as a teenager. Proud to be Asian. Never hide my identity.

You’re very passionate, I admire that.

[tangent -- more like secant]:
i used to work with someone from taipei 15 years ago... she would call herself chinese. i thought was interesting with how i understand the 2 government system: the p.r.c.(beiejing) duzzent recognize china-taipei; however, the r.o.c. claims they the true descendants of the mainland and controls hong-kong, malau, taiwan, tibet, timor.


sorry if i got any of that wrong... anyone correct anywhere i wuz wrong.