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Old 08-16-2010, 10:12 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Cal Sur, Fontucky and Socalbrad, you all are right.
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Old 08-17-2010, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Caldwell
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I am guessing you are confident that Scalia, Thomas, Roberts and Alito will vote to overturn Perry v. Schwarzenegger. But you must think at least one of the following Justices will join them to form a 5-4 majority:

Breyer
Ginsberg
Sotomayor
Kagan
Kennedy

Which one is it?
Honestly, I don't care. I no longer vote...votes are either ignored (passing of tax increases by CA Leg) or overturned (Prop 8). Whats the farking point?

I think I've decided on Colorado. I love the Denver Broncos AND they have a taxpayers bill of rights.
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Old 08-17-2010, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Pasadena
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Honestly, I don't care. I no longer vote...votes are either ignored (passing of tax increases by CA Leg) or overturned (Prop 8). Whats the farking point?

I think I've decided on Colorado. I love the Denver Broncos AND they have a taxpayers bill of rights.
Another Republican leaves the state. One down and only 8000 more to go! But what would happen to all the really interesting Republican towns in the state if you all leave? You know, cities like Bakersfield and Mendota [the typical Republican hot spots].
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Old 08-18-2010, 12:01 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Another Republican leaves the state. One down and only 8000 more to go! But what would happen to all the really interesting Republican towns in the state if you all leave? You know, cities like Bakersfield and Mendota [the typical Republican hot spots].
Don't forget almost all of Orange County.
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:13 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Honestly, I don't care. I no longer vote...votes are either ignored (passing of tax increases by CA Leg) or overturned (Prop 8). Whats the farking point?

I think I've decided on Colorado. I love the Denver Broncos AND they have a taxpayers bill of rights.
Colorado repealed their equivalent of Prop 13 some years ago because they'd rather have a fiscally solvent state than low property taxes.

Coloradans, despite being culturally less different from CA than any state that doesn't border on CA, blame the influx of Californians for smoking bans and restrictions on guns (although the gun laws are still more lenient than California's CURRENT gun laws)

CO's budget troubles may not be on the same level as those of California or Nevada, or Arizona for that matter, but they exist. Witness the near-shutdown (permanently) of Colorado Springs city government or Boulder deciding not to turn on street lighting at night.
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:43 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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This issue will go on forever. If the supreme court lets gay marriage continue then the mormans and other right wingers will fight it again. it's just going around in circles.
What gets me is how the religious groups try to claim "marriage" as something they should have the right to control based on their own beliefs or interpretations of the various "Holy" books. Marriage performed in a church does not make it any more valid than a marriage conducted outside of religious affiliation. A marriage is not legal until a marriage license has been granted by the local State or county authority. Religious organizations cannot grant permission to marry, nor can they grant a divorce. Therefore, marriage is a legal and civil matter, not a religious one and religion should play no role in deciding who does or does not have the right to marry. Within the church, synagogue, meeting house, etc...the marriage CEREMONY is a religious rite or sacrament, but it is not what makes the marriage legal in the eyes of the law. Its just the frosting on the cake
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Old 08-18-2010, 02:50 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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What gets me is how the religious groups try to claim "marriage" as something they should have the right to control based on their own beliefs or interpretations of the various "Holy" books. Marriage performed in a church does not make it any more valid than a marriage conducted outside of religious affiliation. A marriage is not legal until a marriage license has been granted by the local State or county authority. Religious organizations cannot grant permission to marry, nor can they grant a divorce. Therefore, marriage is a legal and civil matter, not a religious one and religion should play no role in deciding who does or does not have the right to marry. Within the church, synagogue, meeting house, etc...the marriage CEREMONY is a religious rite or sacrament, but it is not what makes the marriage legal in the eyes of the law. Its just the frosting on the cake
Very well said
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Old 08-19-2010, 06:32 AM
 
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Honestly, I don't care. I no longer vote...votes are either ignored (passing of tax increases by CA Leg) or overturned (Prop 8). Whats the farking point?

I think I've decided on Colorado. I love the Denver Broncos AND they have a taxpayers bill of rights.
You certainly seemed to care when you say:
"This will go all the way to the Supreme Court where they will rule 5-4 against Gay Marriage and they will have no other recourse."

And your statement also implies that you think there are five (and precisely five) votes on the USSC to overturn Perry v. Schwarzenegger. So I asked - which five?

Hey, I was just responding to your claims...
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Old 08-19-2010, 06:38 AM
 
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Honestly, I don't care. I no longer vote...votes are either ignored (passing of tax increases by CA Leg) or overturned (Prop 8). Whats the farking point?

I think I've decided on Colorado. I love the Denver Broncos AND they have a taxpayers bill of rights.
Oh, and as for Colorado: Amendment 2 was passed by Colorado voters in a referendum in 1992 and overturned by the United States Supreme Court in 1996. Judge Walker built a significant portion of his decision in Perry v. Schwarzenegger around Justice Kennedy's majority opinion in Romer v. Evans, the case in which the high court ruled Amendment 2 unconstitutional.

If you want to find a place to live where courts cannot unconstitutional rule a law enacted by referendum, you'll have to leave the United States.
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Old 08-19-2010, 07:13 PM
 
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Unbelievable
Maybe you haven't learned this, but we can't have runaway judges making one-sided decisions to do or not do something. The justice system works BOTH ways, not just the way you want it to work.

This is exactly why I said this issue needed to stay out of courts. It's never going to end.
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