Latest Polls have whitman ahead of brown!!!!!!!!! (San Diego, Oakland: taxes, living)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Are you sure it's not his second term? I thought they can only serve twice. His are just 30 years apart.

No, I think it is his third. I think his first two were before the term limit law went into affect.

Nita

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Highnlite

I bet you don't know that the name moonbeam was coined because he advocated stuff like solar energy which seemed un worldly to a particular mid westerner who later regretted his term.

It was not coined because he was goofy, like the rightwing crazies want to think.

and he is goofy!!! There was more to it than just the solar thing, a lot more. Were you living in the state when he was elected the first time?

Nita

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by nmnita

No, I think it is his third. I think his first two were before the term limit law went into affect.

Nita

So he served from '76 to '84? For some reason I thought Dukmajian came in earlier although I was too young to remember anything properly at that time.

[NewToCA]

Brown was 1975-1982.

Back to the current election, I think Brown's TV ad pretty much kills his chances of winning. Basically, I think that he comes off as someone stating "I have no plan for California, so I'm proposing to move stuff that cost money away from the state level and down to the local level, and they can decide locally if they want to fund some/many programs currently funded at the state level."

I don't see this message as activating his base vote. If the local gov't has little funds, obviously he is just allowing programs to be cut in stages, so he wouldn't personally take the hit.

I think he is done, and this specific ad did it to him.


http://www.jerrybrown.org/new-brown-...rsation-voters

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Brown was 1975-1982.

Back to the current election, I think Brown's TV ad pretty much kills his chances of winning. Basically, I think that he comes off as someone stating "I have no plan for California, so I'm proposing to move stuff that cost money away from the state level and down to the local level, and they can decide locally if they want to fund some/many programs currently funded at the state level."

I don't see this message as activating his base vote. If the local gov't has little funds, obviously he is just allowing programs to be cut in stages, so he wouldn't personally take the hit.

I think he is done, and this specific ad did it to him.


New Brown Ad: A Serious Conversation With Voters | Jerry Brown for Governor

The bolded part is new to me but makes sense the way you put it. I never thought of it that way. I did find myself wondering what his actual vision was sense he never made it clear.

Wow, the choices we have. How did California's political parties select these two? This is the best we can do seriously?

[NewToCA]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

The bolded part is new to me but makes sense the way you put it. I never thought of it that way. I did find myself wondering what his actual vision was sense he never made it clear.

Wow, the choices we have. How did California's political parties select these two? This is the best we can do seriously?

Yes, it isn't really clear in his ad, but what would move from the state to local control? Obviously it would have to be the programs that have cost associated with their missions.

If the program is moved from state to local, funding needs to be provided from somewhere. The state, as Brown proposes, would be kicking the funding obligation to the local level.

It can't mean anything else.

[californio sur]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Brown was 1975-1982.

Back to the current election, I think Brown's TV ad pretty much kills his chances of winning. Basically, I think that he comes off as someone stating "I have no plan for California, so I'm proposing to move stuff that cost money away from the state level and down to the local level, and they can decide locally if they want to fund some/many programs currently funded at the state level."

I don't see this message as activating his base vote. If the local gov't has little funds, obviously he is just allowing programs to be cut in stages, so he wouldn't personally take the hit.

I think he is done, and this specific ad did it to him.


New Brown Ad: A Serious Conversation With Voters | Jerry Brown for Governor

Actually, I got the exact opposite feeling when viewing Brown's new ad because, for once, he is speaking directly to the people of California and says it is time to stop being Democrats and Republicans but rather "Californians." It is the first really sincere ad from either Brown or Whitman and prepares us for the debates when we will really hear candor between the two candidates.

Brown gives a better sense of security and stability. I think people are put off by Whitman's wealth. She has now exceeded any other national candidate in the amount of personal money she has spent; beating the major of New York, Bloomberg. The chasm between the extremely wealthy and the average person is criminal.

[Highnlite]

But, at this time, some of the money collected locally by counties, is appropriated by the State. I know our county complains about local tax money going to the state, so, simply stopping that practice would increase locally available money.

[Highnlite]

Some years ago, Arianna's Huffington's then husband, ran against either Feinstein or Boxer as a conservative Republican, don't remember which. He spent an enormous for the time, amount of money to try to defeat his opponent, but lost. Eventually Arianna left him, and he came out of the closet.

[FresnoFacts]

Originally Posted by NewToCA

Brown was 1975-1982.

Back to the current election, I think Brown's TV ad pretty much kills his chances of winning. Basically, I think that he comes off as someone stating "I have no plan for California, so I'm proposing to move stuff that cost money away from the state level and down to the local level, and they can decide locally if they want to fund some/many programs currently funded at the state level."

I think Jerry has made a strategy mistake in the ads by playing up experience as a politician rather than trying to pretend to be an outsider. This is not a good year to admit you have been inside the system for years.

The motivated voter bloc (meaning higher turnout rates) in this election seems to be the anti-politician group.