Michael Reagan to chair initiative for part-time legislature (roach, job)

[EscapeCalifornia]

Originally Posted by mayorhaggar

3 strikes mandate really ****ed up everything and created a massive gulag system that will take years to dismantle, and nobody wants to dismantle it.

Keeping repeat scumbags in prison and away from my family is one thing I'll gladly pay extra taxes for as long as it doesn't go for massive pensions.

[ZhugeLiang]

Originally Posted by mayorhaggar

Also if you think it's amazing that Republicans control so much of CA's budget from their minority position, you don't know anything about the 2/3rds requirement to raise taxes or pass a budget, though voters recently repealed their own mandate for budgets IIRC...taxes still require a 2/3rds majority though.

Sounds all well and good that taxes don't get raised much, but the voters still mandate all kinds of ridiculous, contradictory stuff that ****s up the budget, and I recommend you guys watch this:

Daily Show On California Ballot Initiatives: Direct Democracy Is 'Clearly Flawed' (VIDEO)

California voters are the main culprit in all of this, again they've internalized conservative taxation policy (who's going to vote for higher taxes for themselves?) without thinking about the fact that they also mandate high amounts of spending on prisons and other things...stuff like infrastructure and education can be worthwhile but the 3 strikes mandate really ****ed up everything and created a massive gulag system that will take years to dismantle, and nobody wants to dismantle it.

So how did the conservative minority institute a prison gulag system?

[mayorhaggar]

Originally Posted by ZhugeLiang

So how did the conservative minority institute a prison gulag system?

The unfunded and unexplained 3 strikes law. Everyone wanted it, but Republicans in the state legislature are the ones refusing year in and year out to raise taxes a single penny to pay for it, and nobody looks at it that way--all the politicians want to be "tough on crime" but they don't want to talk about how it's paid for, and voters are the same way.

And locking up people for murder and violent assault are one thing, but CA is sentencing people to 25 to life for stealing golf clubs or selling weed.

California could maybe learn something from Texas:

Oddly, Texas can teach the UK a thing or two on criminal justice | Ian Birrell | Comment is free | The Guardian

Hang 'em high Texas is not the first place you might look for lessons in criminal justice. The lone star state prides itself on
its toughness, with more executions and fewer bleeding hearts than
elsewhere in America, the most hardline state in a nation that locks
up more miscreants than anywhere else in the world. But it is the unlikely centre of a revolution in prison reform sweeping the US, overthrowing decades of failed polices and sterile debate driven by politicians scared of being seen as soft. The state has cut crime, costs and the numbers in jail to such an extent it has just shut a high-security prison for the first time in history.


What makes this prison revolt even more unexpected is that it is led by some of the most conservative figures in politics. They have decided – correctly – that an expensive prison system repeatedly locking up the same people is a sign of failure.

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by mayorhaggar

The unfunded and unexplained 3 strikes law. Everyone wanted it, but Republicans in the state legislature are the ones refusing year in and year out to raise taxes a single penny to pay for it, and nobody looks at it that way--all the politicians want to be "tough on crime" but they don't want to talk about how it's paid for, and voters are the same way.

And locking up people for murder and violent assault are one thing, but CA is sentencing people to 25 to life for stealing golf clubs or selling weed.

California could maybe learn something from Texas:

Oddly, Texas can teach the UK a thing or two on criminal justice | Ian Birrell | Comment is free | The Guardian

Time for liberals to stand up and take accountability. This is the state you wanted now deal with it.

Me I'll just sit back and enjoy the show or sinking of the ship, however you want to put it.

[ZhugeLiang]

Originally Posted by mayorhaggar

The unfunded and unexplained 3 strikes law. Everyone wanted it, but Republicans in the state legislature are the ones refusing year in and year out to raise taxes a single penny to pay for it, and nobody looks at it that way--all the politicians want to be "tough on crime" but they don't want to talk about how it's paid for, and voters are the same way.

So how did the conservative minority institute a prison gulag system?

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Maybe we are missing the point here with the cost to house inmates. Lets look to maricopa county where they house them in 115 degree heat in tents and make them work all day. You want to cut the cost of housing inmates? How about cutting the cost of pay for those that work within the system. We have people making well into the 6 figures that work in the prison system. What is up with that? we allow inmates to exercise, watch tv, have other recreational acctivities. I have nothing against working out. For inmates I just see a new way to make that happen. Put them to work, get them so tired that at the end of the day they will want to sleep at night and won't have the ability to riot and destroy the property of the state. Lets make it hard time once again.

This thread has taken a turn to other points. I am fine with that as long as the California Moderators are OK with that.

Here is my plan:

1 Eliminate the professional legislature.

2 Eliminate public unions of any kind.

3 Reform the prison system to include hard work and the elimination of entertainment

[Bulldogdad]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Maybe we are missing the point here with the cost to house inmates. Lets look to maricopa county where they house them in 115 degree heat in tents and make them work all day. You want to cut the cost of housing inmates? How about cutting the cost of pay for those that work within the system. We have people making well into the 6 figures that work in the prison system. What is up with that? we allow inmates to exercise, watch tv, have other recreational acctivities. I have nothing against working out. For inmates I just see a new way to make that happen. Put them to work, get them so tired that at the end of the day they will want to sleep at night and won't have the ability to riot and destroy the property of the state. Lets make it hard time once again.

This thread has taken a turn to other points. I am fine with that as long as the California Moderators are OK with that.

Here is my plan:

1 Eliminate the professional legislature.

2 Eliminate public unions of any kind.

3 Reform the prison system to include hard work and the elimination of entertainment

Got an Election website for contributions? LOL

[mayorhaggar]

Originally Posted by ZhugeLiang

So how did the conservative minority institute a prison gulag system?

Already explained, they supported 3 strikes and refuse to pay for it. CCPOA needs to be destroyed too but doing so wouldn't do much to defray the cost of jailing people for life for nonsense convictions.

[ZhugeLiang]

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Originally Posted by mayorhaggar

Already explained, they supported 3 strikes and refuse to pay for it. CCPOA needs to be destroyed too but doing so wouldn't do much to defray the cost of jailing people for life for nonsense convictions.

Your explanation barely addresses the issue. When you're done engaging in partisan rubbish, then we can have a productive conversation.

[steel7]

A part time legislature is a good idea but i dont see it happening. It is crazy how the legislature & govenor is totally owned by the public unions. That can also be said for alot of cities & counties in ca. 8,000 state workers earn more then the govenor. The salaries, health benefits & pensions for state workers are out of control.