Question: Why would I want to put a new business in California? (Los Angeles: house, layoffs)

[user_id]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Again you have no idea.

All UNDER $100,000.00 and far better than the much more expensive Sun Valley home I listed. These are from different areas as well, not just one.

As is typically the case, you're not doing apples-to-apples comparison. The price of a house is only partly based on the structure, the land value which is derived from the community as a whole is another big component. The homes you're linking to in Dallas aren't in good areas. Also, you intentionally picked an overpriced home in Sun Valley.

Here is a Dallas home, in a better community, that is similar in cost to the Sun Valley home you cited:

5628 LINDENSHIRE LN, DALLAS, TX Property Listing - For Sale - MLS# 12008580 - ZipRealty


But as I said, nobody is denying that homes are on average cheaper in Texas but the cherry picking you're doing exaggerates the price differences.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

The posters have to be in Spanish, as Hispanic population is the predominate race in the state, and growing to the point that in less than 10 years are expected to be over half the population of the state.

Most of the Hispanic population can speak English, after 2 generations (like their European counterparts) they usually aren't know Spanish anymore.

The only time I see a lot of posters in Spanish is when I'm in immigrant communities or at a store that that targets a Hispanic consumer base (e.g., Hispanic grocery store).

Its funny,nobody was complaining when California was predominately non-Hispanic white.

[oldtrader]

Here is a Dallas home, in a better community, that is similar in cost to the Sun Valley home you cited:

But when you compare a home in Sun Valley against Texas home you linked just which is cheaper than a comparable Sun Valley Home (comparable in price not quality), there is no comparison as to quality, size, etc. and the Sun Valley Home will not even qualify for an FHA loan, which says a lot about the home and quality. The Texas home is an executive home quality.

8346 Castano Pl, Sun Valley, CA 91352 - Home For Sale and Real Estate Listing - realtor.com®

The Texas home is much higher quality and larger than the homes in Sun Valley at comparable price range. You would have to get to half again to twice the price to find anything close to comparable.

[oldtrader]

Most of the Hispanic population can speak English, after 2 generations (like their European counterparts) they usually aren't know Spanish anymore.

Thirty seven percent of the Hispanic in California are recent immigrants, which is a major cause of the problems in the school system. And another large portion, have less than 2 generations in California.

Everyone also knows, that this is the ones that are counted. How many illegals are there, that are not counted, but need business services, etc., that require signs and posters in Spanish.

Businesses are preparing for the future of California not the past. California has already seen the white population drop from 88% non Hispanic White to under 38%. The white population is fleeing the state, which will cause businesses, etc., to change their signs, etc., to reflect the new demographics of California.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by user_id

As is typically the case, you're not doing apples-to-apples comparison. The price of a house is only partly based on the structure, the land value which is derived from the community as a whole is another big component. The homes you're linking to in Dallas aren't in good areas. Also, you intentionally picked an overpriced home in Sun Valley.

Here is a Dallas home, in a better community, that is similar in cost to the Sun Valley home you cited:

5628 LINDENSHIRE LN, DALLAS, TX Property Listing - For Sale - MLS# 12008580 - ZipRealty


But as I said, nobody is denying that homes are on average cheaper in Texas but the cherry picking you're doing exaggerates the price differences.

Actually I picked them at random, though I have lived both near Dallas and IN Sun Valley.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

Thirty seven percent of the Hispanic in California are recent immigrants, which is a major cause of the problems in the school system. And another large portion, have less than 2 generations in California.

Everyone also knows, that this is the ones that are counted. How many illegals are there, that are not counted, but need business services, etc., that require signs and posters in Spanish.

Businesses are preparing for the future of California not the past. California has already seen the white population drop from 88% non Hispanic White to under 38%. The white population is fleeing the state, which will cause businesses, etc., to change their signs, etc., to reflect the new demographics of California.

Nice xenophobia and stat manipulation.

California was 80% non-Hispanic white in 1970, but the population of the state was only 19 million. In total numbers, the white population was pretty much what it is today (about 15.8 million).

California has the largest non-Hispanic white population in the United States. Larger than North Dakota's!

Declining birthrates, below replacement levels nationwide, have had far more impact than out-migration with regards to the stagnant white population in the state.

You and many others have scapegoated Latinos as the source of California's ills in the past, so why are you touting Texas? That state is 38% Hispanic.

[user_id]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

Thirty seven percent of the Hispanic in California are recent immigrants, which is a major cause of the problems in the school system. And another large portion, have less than 2 generations in California.

Everyone also knows, that this is the ones that are counted. How many illegals are there, that are not counted, but need business services, etc., that require signs and posters in Spanish.

Where are you getting 37% from? And no, the census counts people regardless of their legal status in the country.

Originally Posted by oldtrader

Businesses are preparing for the future of California not the past. California has already seen the white population drop from 88% non Hispanic White to under 38%. The white population is fleeing the state, which will cause businesses, etc., to change their signs, etc., to reflect the new demographics of California.

If businesses were preparing for the future, they'd put all their signs in English because that is the future of California. The children of Hispanic immigrants learn perfect English and their kids (2nd generation) will not know good Spanish.

As I said, the only businesses that have most of their signs in Spanish are businesses that are serving immigrants.

[Ultrarunner]

The Banks I am referring are in the SF east bay...

Never thought of the east bay being any more immigrant than other areas of California.

[oldtrader]

Los Angeles County California--48.2% Hispanic White 27.3%. And this was a year ago, and the numbers for this year year or next may even put the numbers over 50%. When nearly half the population is Hispanic they are going to put up signs in Spanish.

4---Number of states where at least one-in-five residents spoke Spanish at home in 2007–Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas.

Hispanic Americans: Census Facts | Infoplease.com

When 20% of the population speaks Spanish at home, they are going to put up signs in Spanish in buildings throughout the state. Business has no way of knowing which ones also speak English so they error on the side of caution in fear of losing potential customers. Many businesses now want Duel Language speakers as public contact people. Clear back in the mid 50s in San Jose when I was first working in major quality furniture stores, our crew of 7 salesmen, had two that spoke Spanish fluently (neither was Hispanic), and they got a lot of extra business the rest of us could not handle as we did not speak Spanish and that was back when the Spanish population was much smaller than today. I can tell you from experience, that Spanish speakers also shop outside of Hispanic neighborhoods.

Have you noticed that about every instruction manual on any product is usually in both English and Spanish. Even food labels are starting to have a section in Spanish.

[oldtrader]

If businesses were preparing for the future, they'd put all their signs in English because that is the future of California. The children of Hispanic immigrants learn perfect English and their kids (2nd generation) will not know good Spanish.

This shows you have never dealt in the business world with Hispanic customers, or had friends that are Hispanic. You don't realize, that Hispanic families still want their children to be duel language speakers. The majority are from Mexico, and when they go home to visit family which they are very prone to do, they want their children to be able to communicate with family members and other people in their home community. I have had good friends that were 5th or more generations born in U.S. and they spoke Spanish as well as perfect English. Once they cross the border going home they revert to Spanish till the recross back into the U.S. White people born in the U.S. go back to their home town to visit their relatives. Hispanic Americans go back to Mexico to visit their home town and relatives, and teach the next generation Spanish so they fit in with their families.