11-02-2013, 12:53 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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That is the most ridiculous, made up, movie induced nonsense I've ever heard. You believe that roaming hordes of bandits are doing their research to figure out which houses are armed and which are not before they break in, Mission Impossible style and try to steal the diamonds hidden under my precious art? Turn the TV off, man. It's a gorgeous day outside in California.
And you believe every gun in someone's home is just going to magically to off and kill people.
His scenario is much more likely than your irrational fear of three pounds of metal and plastic.
It is a miracle I am not dead with all the guns at my house with some, gasp, loaded and not in a safe. It is a miracle that I am still alive with all these super dangerous weapons of war I keep at my house.
11-02-2013, 12:55 PM
Location: Sonoma County
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For the trabillionth time, gun nuts,
having a gun puts you at significantly more risk than it protects you .
You think
ME + GUN = SAFER no matter how much proof to the contrary is shoved in your faces. Or is Stanford University just on the take from the anti-gun lobby; the one that stands to make no money whatsoever from the passing of gun restrictions?
11-02-2013, 12:57 PM
Location: Sonoma County
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And you believe every gun in someone's home is just going to magically to off and kill people.
His scenario is much more likely than your irrational fear of three pounds of metal and plastic.
It is a miracle I am not dead with all the guns at my house with some, gasp, loaded and not in a safe. It is a miracle that I am still alive with all these super dangerous weapons of war I keep at my house.
My fear of your stupid metal and plastic that was compiled in a manner to SHOOT PEOPLE is RATIONAL. Nobody said ALL GUNS GO OFF AND KILL PEOPLE, you're just building more straw man horsepoo.
Only a moron would suggest that ALL guns go off and accidentally kill their owners. Are you this bad at understanding calculated risk in every aspect of life? Do you use nothing but anecdotal evidence to make all your decisions?
11-02-2013, 03:59 PM
Location: O.C.
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You believe in gun rights because you believe your high powered death cannon makes you safer. Period. You don't care about the constitution, you don't care about your freedom, you don't care about facts or figures or studies. You sleep better at night believing that your gun will protect you when the bad guys from the movie you watched last night come to life and show up at your house. I know this is hard to understand (obviously) but to the rest of us outside your heads, you are now the problem. You are the armed stranger who may or may not be sane, well trained, and safety-first. It isn't The Man In The Black Cape we are concerned about you protecting your wife and kids from, it's you that we're worried about. And if you can't step back for a second and go "oh right, that makes sense. If I saw a man I didn't know with a .45 on his hip at a school, I'd probably assume there was at least a 50/50 chance he was unhinged, too," then you're kind of a jerk.
So you are lumping law abiding gun owners in with insane criminals? Wow, great analogy! So I will just lump YOU in with drunk drivers who kill people with their car because YOU also own and drive a car. Shame on you! You are disgusting and pathetic! YOU are the problem! I also find your ramblings quite funny. Yes, my gun WILL protect me if someone were to break into my house. Too bad your only defense will be calling 911 and hoping police with their GUNS show up in time to protect you. Good luck with that.
11-02-2013, 06:05 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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For the trabillionth time, gun nuts,
having a gun puts you at significantly more risk than it protects you .
You think
ME + GUN = SAFER no matter how much proof to the contrary is shoved in your faces. Or is Stanford University just on the take from the anti-gun lobby; the one that stands to make no money whatsoever from the passing of gun restrictions?
All of the "guns in the house cause more danger" studies never take into account all of the times a gun is used to protect someone without the perpetrator being killed. They count homicide, include suicide, and don't take I to account all the times an assailant runs away without being shot.
Guns are used at least 250k times each year to protect their owner. Even the recent CDC studies Obama asked for show that.
If you do not want a gun in your house that is fine. No one is forcing you to have one. Stop acting like you know what is best for me and my family.
When life and death are seconds apart, the police are only 11 minutes away (average response time to a 911 call).
11-02-2013, 06:08 PM
Location: SF Bay Area
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zdg
My fear of your stupid metal and plastic that was compiled in a manner to SHOOT PEOPLE is RATIONAL. Nobody said ALL GUNS GO OFF AND KILL PEOPLE, you're just building more straw man horsepoo.
Fear of an inanimate object is not rational.
Maybe you should take a new shooter safety course and try to understand just a little bit about the thing you are so scared of.
11-04-2013, 10:18 AM
Location: Central Texas
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zdg
For the trabillionth time, gun nuts,
having a gun puts you at significantly more risk than it protects you .
You think
ME + GUN = SAFER no matter how much proof to the contrary is shoved in your faces. Or is Stanford University just on the take from the anti-gun lobby; the one that stands to make no money whatsoever from the passing of gun restrictions?
Since you like data, do you acknowledge that homicides in the US, including those that include firearms, are at or near 50 year lows? That is in spite of gun ownership at well over 300 million? Do you also acknowledge that the ten year ban of "assault weapons" at the federal level had no measurable impact on homicides?
How is it that California, rated at the top by Brady for gun regulations, has a homicide rate just slightly higher than Texas, with vastly different firearm regulations? The two largest states in the US, both sharing large borders with Mexico have about the same homicide rates. How can that be?
11-04-2013, 10:35 AM
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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From the second amendment:
A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
Are you in a militia? No? Oh. So really, you just keep trotting this out, not because you give a rat's anus about the Constitution, but because you believe that guns make you safe in the face of study after study to the contrary and it makes it easy for you to not have to defend your position by yelling "CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!" even though you have no intention of joining a militia to defend the American peoples from the King of England or his successor in 1776 America.
the state of California has made it ridiculously easy for you to do what you do by cultivating one of the most robust fashion industries on the face of the Earth. So, it's almost like not only is California not "communist" but quite the opposite.
...
LOL is the above meant to be comical? Because it sure was.
Are you a supreme court justice? Good thing you're not because it's clear you don't know a thing about the constitution.
That clause imposes nothing about one's having to be in the militia with respect to bearing arms. Since militias were citizen-groups, and the framers knew that there might come a time when they'd have to take up arms, it's a simple statement of why the second amendment was needed. Check out the Federalist Papers in your spare time.
I can tell that pesky amendment (Yup. It's the
second one, too
) just ticks off you control freaks no end. Too bad, because it's there to stay.
Interesting, too,
...so now the Bill of Rights set forth the rights of the
state and not the
people ...
The things you learn on these boards!
11-04-2013, 11:33 AM
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zdg
From the second amendment: A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
If you are not aware, the Supreme Court has clarified the meaning of "well regulated", "militia", and "right of the people to keep and bear arms"
Summarized:
well regulated trained and disciplined in the operation of a firearm
militia a group or an individual
right of the people to keep and bear arms 'people' in this case was ruled to be an individual
in
DC v Heller (2008) the Court ruled that that the amendment protects an individual right to keep and bear arms. Since DC is federal land, this ruling did not specify the states rights to rule differently
In
McDonald v. Chicago (2010) , the Court clarified its earlier decisions to apply to each state as well.
ETA - FTR, I am not pro-gun at all but I am pro-law
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11-04-2013, 12:33 PM
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I'd be against it under all circumstances. People who have long commutes or otherwise have to drive around to make a living already have a disadvantage from insurance, gas prices, wear and tear on their vehicles, STRESS, possible tolls, etc. And it's completely opposite of the "logic" of healthcare reform. I mean, pick a side already
People choose to have a long commute.
However, this seems unnecessary, doesn't a gas tax achieve the same thing with less expense?
Use more gas because you drive more or your car is heavier, and you pay more...
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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LOL is the above meant to be comical? Because it sure was.
) just ticks off you control freaks no end. Too bad, because it's there to stay.
