Who else would like to see Camp Pendleton move become land for development of neighborhoods connecting SD with OC? (San Diego: live in, beach)

[Tulemutt]

Something is ultra dense here. And it's not Catalina's future.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by I Love Buildings

If i was empieor of California, i'd develop Catalina Island into an ultra dense single family uptopia, like the coastal towns of Italy.

Well here I have to agree slightly. The prohibition on virtually all Catalina development has made Catalina undesirable. No, really, it is not even worth going to unless you have your own yacht (which is what they want).

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Something is ultra dense here. And it's not Catalina's future.

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[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Well here I have to agree slightly. The prohibition on virtually all Catalina development has made Catalina undesirable. No, really, it is not even worth going to unless you have your own yacht (which is what they want).

No. That's why I want to go there. Its wonderful having a remote feeling island right in our backyard. It ABSOLUTELY is worth going there. There are still developed camps where you can have the basics. Its attractive to those who love the outdoors and having pristine marine environments. If you developed it, it would ruin snorkeling, kayaking, hiking, etc.

And no its not "undesirable", Avalon and Two Harbors are packed during the summer.

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

There's LOTS of empty land along the California coast. LOTS. Protected. Thankfully.
But you probably mean inland from the coastline itself.

Even then, there's lots and lots of [protected] lands. Hope the amount left is never encroached further.

I moved from the Bay to San Diego last fall. I have always gone to Morro Bay a few times annually. This year, I took a boat slip in Morro as well. So split my time between the two places - plus still running up to sail Puget Sound in Washington in the summers.

The Central Coast isn't a very interesting, inviting sailing venue offshore. Rugged, Finicky. Dangerous sometimes. Frustrating often. Few harbors. But now I am growing old and less drama is a pleasure. I spend more and more time ashore. I find the Central Coast, Santa Cruz and Monterey, Big Sur, Estero Bay, Lompoc/Vandenburg, Santa Barbara - all extraordinarily restorative. The space left, the wildness of it all, hard to express. Such a contrast to most people's experience in the multi-millions populated Bay and SoCal metros.

Paddling around shallow Morro Bay preserve and the Elkhorn Slough Estuary between Santa Cruz and Monterey in my little canoe with otters and seals, and so many birds of such variety alongside, peering at me as curiously as I study them. Delightful. Every minute spent. So much California coast is still wild in preservation.

agreed. Love it! I just can't understand what it is with some people on this board here. Having a state with so much diverse, protected natural land is part of the appeal! To have the social, cultural, and employment opportunities of metropolitan areas, while having the nature is what California is all about. I can not understand for the life of me how some people would want Catalina or the Camp Pendleton open to development.

People also don't realize how much protected open space is necessary to protect the abundance and diversity of wildlife.

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by I Love Buildings

If i was empieor of California, i'd develop Catalina Island into an ultra dense single family uptopia, like the coastal towns of Italy.

Those coastal towns of Italy are full of rich history with architecture that is centuries old. Plastering Catalina with condos would NOT make it look like Italy. Do you understand that for Europeans one of the things they LOVE about the US is the vastness, open space, and parklands of California and the western states. This is one thing that makes the US very unique.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Well here I have to agree slightly. The prohibition on virtually all Catalina development has made Catalina undesirable. No, really, it is not even worth going to unless you have your own yacht (which is what they want).

Sure, no reason to go there. Except the clean ocean water. And the marine life. And the open space. And the endemic species. And the quiet. And the ability to appreciate how our region looked and felt before we entombed it in asphalt.

"No reason to visit" aptly describes South OC. I vote to unpave that ****-hole.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by nslander

Sure, no reason to go there. Except the clean ocean water. And the marine life. And the open space. And the endemic species. And the quiet. And the ability to appreciate how our region looked and felt before we entombed it in asphalt.

"No reason to visit" aptly describes South OC. I vote to unpave that ****-hole.

I see you want to childishly lash out and attack even where I live because I think Avalon sucks. How utterly bizarre but expected in a hysterical comment. I'm clarifying that Avalon mostly sucks...that's what I was referring to. AVALON, get it? It sucks because of restrictions. I remember when it was nicer. You want it to remain charming, but others of us know it as incredibly overrated. The island itself is not a dump, but Avalon sort of is. Those without a yacht are more limited to what we can easily do on the island. Avalon could be a world class town without even growing; I'd like to see it resemble places in the Canary Islands. That can't happen due to too many restrictions on Avalon.

People here act like Catalina is the only island. Not one island did they permit to get 5 star development even on a limited scale.

I know it's hard to understand since you believe yourself to always be right, but guess what? Others can have a viewpoint different from your own.

[I Love Buildings]

The California Channel Islands could become like the Greek Islands of the West Coast!

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by I Love Buildings

The California Channel Islands could become like the Greek Islands of the West Coast!

No. Because Greece was the cradle of Western Civilization with its history and archaeology is not something you can replicate.

Do you understand that California, despite having a similar climate and ecosystem to that of Mediterranean, it is NOT, NOT the Mediterranean???