But, but... what happened to the people leaving "in droves?"

[saibot]

Originally Posted by NORTY FLATZ

Zero to do with "affordability."

It has to do with DEMAND.

And "demand" does not have anything to do with "affordability"? I think they are joined at the hip.

[Carpenter858]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I have a friend who moved from Idaho back to California a little less than a year ago, she said that she was stuck there for a decade until housing prices in Idaho went up enough to make it viable for them to sell their home and beat feet out of Idaho.

Same thing happened to people who bought in Ca from 2006 until 2014/2015 when prices got back to the previous peak in '06. Less desirable areas didn't fully come back until '16/'17.

[saibot]

Originally Posted by Finper

The Idahoans I know would rather die then move to Ca. And they’re not poor

One does not have to be "poor" not to be able to afford to buy a house in Southern California.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

It’s because all the uhauls are going out of Ca not in so supply is low

The Idahoans I know would rather die then move to Ca. And they’re not poor

This is what I love about Idahoans. (and everyone else everywhere who doesn’t want to cram into California)

[saibot]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

This is what I love about Idahoans. (and everyone else everywhere who doesn’t want to cram into California)

Indeed! It does not make me sad to know that not everyone wants to live where I live.

[jmmaxus]

Originally Posted by mlb

Utah back to Coastal California cost us about $3K. So what?

I picked a random date of 3/25, and used the largest truck 26 foot to see.

Monterey, CA (Near where your profile states you are) to Salt Lake City, UT= $2,998
Salt Lake City, UT to Monterey, CA= $817.

The point is it is three times more because the demand of one way trucks out of CA is high, and CA needs more trucks so those that get a one way coming in the trucks are a lot cheaper. If you paid $3k not sure how then it would of been a lot more in reverse.

[cleosmom]

Originally Posted by Finper

It’s because all the uhauls are going out of Ca not in so supply is low

The Idahoans I know would rather die then move to Ca. And they’re not poor

So my sister, in California sends me a picture of a pick up truck with Idaho plates, she says seeing they are moving here too. ( bed of truck was empty). I said no, they already moved here to ID. When she asked me why they were there, I told her to get more of their stuff since moving trucks were scare

[beach43ofus]

https://thehill.com/changing-america...and-heading-to

Updated survey from van lines company about states people are leaving from, and moving to, & why.

Cali was #5 for outbound, but I didn't read how these rankings were done. If they are not per capita, then being 5th might not be bad since Cali's population is so large.

[Redflag71]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

https://thehill.com/changing-america...and-heading-to

Updated survey from van lines company about states people are leaving from, and moving to, & why.

Cali was #5 for outbound, but I didn't read how these rankings were done. If they are not per capita, then being 5th might not be bad since Cali's population is so large.

39 million

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by beach43ofus

https://thehill.com/changing-america...and-heading-to

Updated survey from van lines company about states people are leaving from, and moving to, & why.

Cali was #5 for outbound, but I didn't read how these rankings were done. If they are not per capita, then being 5th might not be bad since Cali's population is so large.

I was questioning the methods used for the survey. So, I looked it up. It's turns out that it sounds more dramatic than what was actually going on. Though the outflow was higher which is actually a good thing for such an overcrowded state. Unfortunately, like most reports, its over dramatized. Here's a snapshot from the survey. With 40.7% inbound and 59.3% outbound, its unlikely enough to make a significant dent in the 40 million inhabitants or the high cost of housing. https://www.unitedvanlines.com/newsr...ers-study-2021





The most interesting part which was more of an observation is that "This year’s survey results indicated 31.8% of Americans who moved did so in order to be closer to family – a new trend coming out of the pandemic as priorities and lifestyle choices shift. Additionally, 32.5% of Americans moved for a new job or job transfer, a significant decrease from 2015, when more than 60% of Americans cited a job or transfer."

Increased remote work opportunities are allowing people to spread out more, return to live closer to family, where its more affordable, etc... Because CA grew so much faster over the past 50 years than other states, it actually has a disproportionate number of transplants. And now is the perfect time for them to return to those home states when the golden handcuffs in the form of jobs are finally loosened. Although I'm a native, I was happy that my company gave me that freedom pre-pandemic allowing us to move out of state. Now, its becoming much more acceptable nationwide. Therefore, folks don't have to feel like they need to move to CA to 'make it' when starting a new career or grow in their existing career. They can have their cake (CA job opportunities) and eat it too (live anywhere).

This rebalancing trend of real estate and job markets across our nation will continue post pandemic. CA may finally get some relief from the never ending onslaught of people flooding into the state.

Derek