state parks & possibly another vlf increase

[steel7]

Originally Posted by eureka1

I would like to see the vehicle taxes about twice what they are. Driving is a privilege,kid. Don't forget it.

Driving may be a privilege but the dmv (state of ca) sure has their dirty, greedy lil greasy hands out to take our money.

[Ultrarunner]

Originally Posted by wburg

During "horse and buggy" days, most people didn't get around by horse and buggy--most people didn't even own them. Railroads (privately owned, although often with large public subsidy) were America's main method of long-distance transportation until taxpayer-funded roads, highways and freeways (promoted by automobile companies) took on that role, well into the 20th century. Short-range transportation in the late 19th century was mostly by streetcar, either horse, cable or electric powered. Even that was primarily for the middle class. Working people got around on foot. Back then, stores delivered their wares with horse-drawn carts, and farmers had wagons to carry their goods to market, but most people didn't make enough money to feed and board a horse. The horse-and-buggy crowd were the elite, or at least the moderately wealthy who aspired to the elite. A lot of public roads were toll roads then--but they were often simply unimproved dirt roads, perhaps with logs or some gravel to avoid becoming mud pits too often.

I come from Farm Stock and yes... every Farm/Ranch had a wagon with either Oxen, Mules or Horses... depends on what side of the family tree.

America was an agrarian society when the constitution was drafted... sure... we always had stage and street cars... even San Francisco still operates turn of the Century Rail and Cable...

True... most city people didn't own a horse... but anyone could access one... Livery Stables were were more common than Post Offices and everyone working on a farm or ranch also had access.

Attended a 100th birthday party 4 years ago... and yes she is still alive... Anyway, at age 13 she won a brand new Model T for selling more newspaper subscriptions than anyone else in the entire State of Nevada... she was so happy no longer having to ride 3 to a horse to get to school... she became a teacher with over 60 years teaching... the stories she can tell and the newspaper articles are fascinating and I've read the one about her winning the car.

I can't even imaging the freedom people just a generation or two back had to live life...

Most of the early pioneers arrived in CA by boat and then there was a wave by wagon... followed by train... although my step Grandfather came to CA in 1919 with a 1915 Model T all the way from Michigan... also without a license