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Old 03-18-2010, 03:25 PM
 
Location: SW MO
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Labor unions are offensive? This thread is offensive and I'm done. Any of you who are not working 6-day weeks and 12- hour days owe a big debt to the union movement. But you would have to understand history to know that.
Oh, but I do. I was a cop before and after the unions paid off the Legislature and Jerry Brown and took over collective bargaining for public employees. Fire and police have done well with them if you consider bankrupting municipalities, counties and the state an accomplishment, not just in CA but elsewhere as well.

As for other public employees, raises were better and more regular before the unions came in and started picking the workers' pockets for increasingly inflated dues.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:32 PM
 
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Sooner or later we will have to face the financial mess that the public employee unions have wrought on California. And we have Moonbeam to thank for making this mess.
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Old 03-19-2010, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I really think Meg Whitman will win a pretty large rout over this guy. He's like the Martha Coakley of California...and Whitman is a WAY stronger candidate than Scott Brown.
Scott Brown got a great deal of votes from Dems, and appealed far more to Dems than Whitman. IMO he was a much stronger candidate than Whitman, far easier for the average person to relate to and certainly well qualified. He also is actually FROM Mass. and is a lawyer and military veteran, not a Wall Street type who was brought into eBay because of their connections to East Coast money.

Jerry Brown also has no primary opposition and a united party behind him, something Coakley didn't have.

Whitman's in the pocket of the California Correctional Peace Officers Union, too. She's donated money to initiatives that they backed.Their tentacles reach into both parties. Since they got involved in politics under Novey back in '82, the only governor who wasn't "their guy" was Schwarzenegger....

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Old 03-19-2010, 09:53 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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This thread is offensive and I'm done.
What does this mean? You checked out? Should we feel offended?

On topic - what do you think the unions should be doing? Asking for higher wages, more job protection, more benefits? Even more than they have today?

I wonder if the voting public in California, as irrational as it seems to be, will be receptive to "attacks" by a group that is a big part of California's financial problems.
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Old 06-07-2010, 08:48 PM
 
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Well that's a no-brainer. Labor unions ARE offensive. The collective "people," whose attention span is sadly lacking, likely don't recall that it was Jerry Brown who, at the 11th hour on his last day in office as Governor in 1983, sold the state civil service system to the labor unions and things have gone downhill from there.

If California puts this putz back in office it deserves what it gets!

agreed no one seems to remember the mess this guy made of California in the 80's
and how he ran oakland further into the ground as mayor

while he was governor we damn near had to build a wall around california to keep business from leaving

Brown will (and I promise this because he has a history of doing these things)let prisoners loose on the public because him and linda ronstat did not have to live near them

help legallize pot
unregulated dope brings nice little gang wars (look at Montana as an example)
raise taxes including property taxes , if not for Jarvis Gan fighting brown

sales tax went up 6 times under brown

incase of flood earth quake or other disaster you can be sure brown will go into hiding as he as always done

last
Med flies
brown hid like a little girl until Californias fruit crop was ruined then after the crisis had past he ordered unnessesary arial spraying

this guy is a moron and a coward
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Old 06-11-2010, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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If brown becomes gov of ca then the public unions will own him & ca big time. The unions will be giving brown millions this yr for his campaign. Brown was a crap govenor in the 70s & early 80s & he will be crap again.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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What does this mean? You checked out? Should we feel offended?

On topic - what do you think the unions should be doing? Asking for higher wages, more job protection, more benefits? Even more than they have today?

I wonder if the voting public in California, as irrational as it seems to be, will be receptive to "attacks" by a group that is a big part of California's financial problems.
Yes, and I hope our legislative cronies go on attack mode against Whitman as well while endorsing their good ol' boy Jerry. Then we can all sit back and have a good laugh.

As far as unions, yes, they served a purpose for the common people at one point many, many generations ago. But now they are an outdated, overindulgent, special interest group limiting business growth in CA. And even if they suceed in their stranglehold, our state's economy and the members they supposedly fight for will lose in the long run. This isn't the 1950's anymore. We are dealing with a World Economy and fall short time and again as a state trying to compete. Jobs are leaving and unemployment is higher than most states in the union. And this goes for Union jobs as well.

Derek
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:35 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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We are dealing with a World Economy and fall short time and again as a state trying to compete. Jobs are leaving and unemployment is higher than most states in the union. And this goes for Union jobs as well.

Derek
All true. But historically, the electorate has an abysmally short, collective memory! It votes party lines and emotional appeals.
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Old 06-11-2010, 10:59 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, WA
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All true. But historically, the electorate has an abysmally short, collective memory! It votes party lines and emotional appeals.
Yes, this is unforutnately true. All Brown really has to do is tickle the ear of the majority of left leaning special interest groups and they will be extactic. Short term memory, selective memory or no memory (ie - weren't even around yet) as well as economic short sightedness all play a part.
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Old 06-12-2010, 07:44 PM
 
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Labor unions are offensive? This thread is offensive and I'm done. Any of you who are not working 6-day weeks and 12- hour days owe a big debt to the union movement. But you would have to understand history to know that.
I'm part of a labor union, and unfortunately, what the labor unions accomplished 100 years ago bears no resemblance to their greed today.

An overview of the City of San Jose's pension plans:

Retiring at 55. (as early as 50 for police & firemen) at 75% to 90% (police & fire) of final year's salary after 30 years of service.

For police & firemen, the pension is based on overtime as well, not just base salary. (not so for other civil service workers--who rarely have opportunites for OT).

Then there are the health care benefits in retirement as well.

I wish this scenario was financially sustainable. But unions will never admit that it isn't. And people like Jerry Brown will let the state go bankrupt rather than tell the unpleasant truth.

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