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Old 03-09-2015, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Yes, that Thatcher was an awful harridan, wasn't she?
She does not seem to be unanimously revered in the UK, so I guess that tells you something...
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Canada
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"The anglo way is the only way" is a familiar refrain we've all heard before.

I read The Economist as well, you know.
It's not the "anglo way" it's the "common sense" way. It sounds more like you are making an excuse for poor government policies and overall performance, by making it into a "our culture is different" thing. Come on Acajack, I know more than enough about Quebec to know that people want their economy to work just as much as anyone in Alberta. The difference is that the economic policies do everything they can to stunt any economic growth.
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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It's not the "anglo way" it's the "common sense" way. It sounds more like you are making an excuse for poor government policies and overall performance, by making it into a "our culture is different" thing. Come on Acajack, I know more than enough about Quebec to know that people want their economy to work just as much as anyone in Alberta. The difference is that the economic policies do everything they can to stunt any economic growth.
I don't consider Quebec to be an economic superstar. I consider it to be "middling" and of course it can improve.

I just consider the focus on it and the urgency for it to get its act together a bit inordinate.

I mean, what's up with Manitoba? Why aren't they better performers? I mean, they're in the booming West for pete's sake.

Yet no one says a peep about them. Or even Ontario that's basically been spinning its wheels for 10 years or so.

Hmm, I wonder why...
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Old 03-09-2015, 08:45 AM
 
Location: Canada
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I don't consider Quebec to be an economic superstar. I consider it to be "middling" and of course it can improve.

I just consider the focus on it and the urgency for it to get its act together a bit inordinate.

I mean, what's up with Manitoba? Why aren't they better performers? I mean, they're in the booming West for pete's sake.

Yet no one says a peep about them. Or even Ontario that's basically been spinning its wheels for 10 years or so.

Hmm, I wonder why...
How many major cities does Manitoba have compared to Quebec?

How many natural resources does it have compared to Quebec?

How much manpower does it have compared to Quebec?

You are still making excuses. Quebec should be another New York State but instead it is competing with New Brunswick, Nova Scotia and Mississippi for last place. The other places have an excuse, Quebec only looks to invent one.
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Old 03-10-2015, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Montreal
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You should have typed "rather than the doing stuff that works path" where I emboldened your text.

Quebec is writing its own death certificate. I know that. You know that. Everyone knows that.
So dramatic. Your penny pinching economics is none of our concern. Quebec will spend when we want to spend. If you object to footing the bill then I suggest you take that trip to Alabama.
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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So dramatic. Your penny pinching economics is none of our concern. Quebec will spend when we want to spend. If you object to footing the bill then I suggest you take that trip to Alabama.
You know, in spite of best efforts to not characterize people it's sometimes very hard not to when the debate for so many of them is always framed solely in dollars and cents with no regard to matters of culture, history, identity, values, etc.
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Old 03-10-2015, 09:01 AM
 
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You know, in spite of best efforts to not characterize people it's sometimes very hard not to when the debate for so many of them is always framed solely in dollars and cents with no regard to matters of culture, history, identity, values, etc.
I find it more difficult to debate when people make sweeping generalizations and resort to the extremes - like Quebecois are lazy welfare collectors, or Anglos have dominating and "insecure" mindset - so often thrown around by extremists on both sides. I for one do want to learn about the stances on both sides, and hopefully find a middle ground, but some of these comments really poison and polarize the discussion atmosphere.
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Old 03-10-2015, 03:15 PM
 
Location: europe
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I find it more difficult to debate when people make sweeping generalizations and resort to the extremes - like Quebecois are lazy welfare collectors, or Anglos have dominating and "insecure" mindset - so often thrown around by extremists on both sides. I for one do want to learn about the stances on both sides, and hopefully find a middle ground, but some of these comments really poison and polarize the discussion atmosphere.
Maybe there is truth in both stereotypes, the Quebecois are more than anyone else in English North America attracted to government benefits, there is no question there. Also I see English Canadians have a reputation of sorts for being insecure about American success, so there is some truth there too.
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Old 03-10-2015, 06:54 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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Also I see English Canadians have a reputation of sorts for being insecure about American success, so there is some truth there too.
The reputation is largely not rooted in anything substantive or factual.. Its kind of like an urban myth - just because victims of the myth have a reputation, doesn't make it a reality. Unless you know Canadians and have spent a lot of time with them (certainly more than just in an online forum) i'd be cautious about believing in fairy tales....
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Old 03-10-2015, 07:03 PM
 
Location: Toronto
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It is only logical. The Americans enjoy a greater degree of Nordic infusion than their Anglo-Celtic neighbours. It is only natural for the Anglo-Celtic Canadian to sense this and procure feelings of insecurity. Not only are the Anglo-Celtic Canadians outmatched in quantity, but they are also outmatched in quantity. Survival requires a vigilant and cunning response on behalf of the Anglo-Celtic Canadians.
What the heck have you been reading - Mein Kampf?
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