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Old 04-28-2015, 05:57 AM
 
Location: Cambridge, MA/London, UK
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The crack epidemic in many US cities also contributed to the high murder rate. The rate went down when the epidemic abated.
This really is the true root of it isnt it? Dr. Cornel West from Princeton once made an interesting point. He said that the children that were born during the crack era, at times addicted themselves since birth, are now the ones raising the current younger generation. So to expect the kids running around these days to instantly know how to raise themselves is unrealistic.

Of course your point is correct that we are separating ourselves from that era, more and more each year, and in turn the chance to break the cycle is more available now than even a decade ago.

As I said earlier, concentrate on lowering the black and latino unemployment rate and end the war on drugs and then you will see some real progress.
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Old 04-28-2015, 07:17 AM
 
Location: Gatineau, Québec
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Not sure I understand your point (The connection between paragraph A and B). The abortion rate in the US per capita is on par with Sweden, Australia and New Zealand. You know the same Sweden that has made sex education mandatory since 1956. Google the "Swedish dancing penis and vagina video" Its actually pretty funny, but they are hardly behind the times on sex education.

Here is the most up to date abortion map. Yes the countries in the "Green" section tend to be safer Western countries for the most part, but there are some outliers with higher murder rates like the US, Guyana, etc..There are also Islamic countries on the other end of the spectrum that have very low crime rates, but very restrictive policies towards abortion rights.

http://www.reproductiverights.org/si...sheet_2013.pdf

Of course once again this comes down to demographics, not sure what else needs to be broken down here.
I'd add that what this thread has proven is that it's usually not a single factor that leads to the clusterf**k.

It's more like Factor A + Factor B (and often + Factor C) = Clusterf**k.

Whatever it may be, Factor A by itself, like fertilizer, isn't necessarily explosive.
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Old 04-28-2015, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Vancouver
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Not sure I understand your point (The connection between paragraph A and B). The abortion rate in the US per capita is on par with Sweden, Australia and New Zealand. You know the same Sweden that has made sex education mandatory since 1956. Google the "Swedish dancing penis and vagina video" Its actually pretty funny, but they are hardly behind the times on sex education.

Here is the most up to date abortion map. Yes the countries in the "Green" section tend to be safer Western countries for the most part, but there are some outliers with higher murder rates like the US, Guyana, etc..There are also Islamic countries on the other end of the spectrum that have very low crime rates, but very restrictive policies towards abortion rights.

http://www.reproductiverights.org/si...sheet_2013.pdf

Of course once again this comes down to demographics, not sure what else needs to be broken down here.
It's complicated. LOL

Sweden's has had a recent rise in abortion rates in the 20 to 24 year old range.

"The rise in abortions is caused mostly by Swedes' lackadaisical attitudes toward the use of contraceptives, said Ian Milsom, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Gothenburg University."

This may or may not be true, but using one country in Europe doesn't disprove my points.

It is an anomaly in Europe.

Australian's who are concerned about abortion rates are urging earlier and better sex education, which is vital in reducing unwanted pregnancies.

New Zealand's 2014 rate is now similar to Canada at 15.3 per 100,000. Until real hard studies are done we may never truly know the reasons, but the experts all seem to agree that sex education and access to contraceptives is vital.

"Sex education was also reaching more young people, she said."

Abortion rate drops to 20-year low - National - NZ Herald News

With Sweden being the odd one out, it does seem that sex education early enough and access to contraceptives and plays a part in abortion rates.

I should add, that there are countries that have little of no sex ed, are uber religious, with low abortion rates. Possibly due to access, or more likely the lack of reporting of back alley type procedures.
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:11 PM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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There are more Mexicans in the USA. Latinos that relocate to Canada are Latinos of European ancestry, educated, middle to high class, legal immigrants who gained legal status through the Canadian points immigration system.

The U.S. gets the worst of the worst from Mexico and central America.

The worst Latinos are 10000x better than African Americans. Just compare Miami to Detroit. Miami has a higher standard of living than most U.S. cities.

You are completely full of crap, and wicked racist.

Sincerely, a Cuban American of European ancestry that is educated, from a middle class background, a legal immigrant, which left the racist and arrogant city of Miami to Texas, and whose romantic partner is a Mexican American. Go *beep* yourself. Miami has a horrible standard of living, and I really do not wish to move back there but I will have to to graduate college next spring. I hate people in Miami with your attitude. "My Latinos are better than yours." Get outta here with that garbage!
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Old 05-27-2015, 06:51 PM
 
Location: St. Louis Park, MN
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What does being in western hemisphere have anything to do with anything?? I am not sure, what makes you exclude the eastern hemisphere, exactly? Any justifiable reason at all? Is the Eastern Hemisphere fundamentally different that makes it completely not comparable?

Yeah, slavery, slavery, slavery. as if it answers everything. If I am not mistaken, slavery is abolished centuries ago, and none of the black population today had any remember of suffered anything in the slavery period, why do we keep using slavery as an excuse?

Ask any black murderer in the US, did you commit the crime because your grand grand grand parents were slaves? How funny is that. I am not saying slavery history has nothing to do with it, but pretending that's the primary reason is also laughable. Plus, the US is not the only country that has a slavery history, is it?

Why do you mention the fact that loose gun control, the extreme wealth discrepancy, as well as the violence infested media are partly the reason?

And of course being a rich country has everything to do with. Unlike your dubious peer group such as "western hemisphere" or "the Americas", being rich or poor definitely has an huge impact on crime rate, and one would be foolish to deny that wealthier countries tend to have lower crime rate, for the sheer reasons that people of means have less motive to be involved in gang violence, robbery, or shooting random people on the street. Desperate people do desperate things, often out of poverty, but the US being one of the richest countries definitely is an outliner, and you can't simply explain it all away using its slavery history.

No, slavery doesn't have ALL to do with it, but it has to do with it substantially. Why is it that white Americans seem to think that slavery was SOOOOO long ago? My friend's great grandma is still alive and kicking, and her parents were both born as slaves. That's a living African American person who personally KNEW former slaves. And it's not like after slavery, life exponentially improved for blacks. It took another hundred years before actual progress would be made. That's an extra century after the abolition of slavery where blacks were legally held back from being successful in life. Discrimination has long lasting effects.

No, racism and slavery's long lasting legacy is not the sole or even main reason for the US crime rate. After all, small rural towns in the south and west which are over 90% white are not always immune of crime. However to take slavery out of the equation or to deny it's long lasting impact is ignorant.
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Old 05-27-2015, 08:54 PM
 
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Access of guns. If they were more accessible The people who talk to much in Canada would suffer the same fate as the American counterparts
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Fishers, IN
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Access of guns. If they were more accessible The people who talk to much in Canada would suffer the same fate as the American counterparts
Canadians own guns, too.
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:05 PM
 
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Canadians own guns, too.
Not nearly as easy to get as America.

Not.

Even.

Close.
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:10 PM
 
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Canadians own guns, too.
For the most part its a different attitude in Canada.Stuff like this just isnt as frequent.
https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20...-seconds.shtml

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...ook-post-says/
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Old 05-28-2015, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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2 Reasons capture 90% of the difference:

1) Different demographics - One minority group which consists of 13% of the USA population commit homicides at 12 times the rate of the general population committing over half of all USA murders. Canada has a much smaller number of this minority.
2) The 2nd amendment guarantees the right to won firearms and this has resulted in an exorbitant number of guns in the general populace which makes killing much more effective and common.
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