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Were you there or are you simply reading the CO article and the journal of the guy arrested?...
I wasn't aware the Charlotte Observer had even written anything until the link was provided here. As I have said many times here in this forum, I don't draw conclusions over articles written in the Observer or give out links to it as some sort of proof. I rarely read the rag anymore.
I won't bother to respond to any point you were attempting to make because it is clear, as often happens by the same people on this forum, your purpose was to criticize me for having brought this story to this topic instead of offering up some sort of dialog on the matter itself. I recommend you put me on ignore and go back to reading the Observer.
Really? Go to a nightclub in, say, NYC or Vegas, and refuse to comply with a request from a club bouncer / security guard and see what happens. Chances are they would physically grab you and toss you out the front (or back) door - and probably leave you with a few painful reminders of the evening as well. I've seen it happen in clubs in both cities....
Yes Really. I've got no issue with that as that would be a private matter. It should be clear enough this isn't what happened here and if that was all there was too it, I would not have created this topic. I'm not going to try and explain it again because if you are interested, please re-read what I've already posted.
I wasn't aware the Charlotte Observer had even written anything until the link was provided here. As I have said many times here in this forum, I don't draw conclusions over articles written in the Observer or give out links to it as some sort of proof. I rarely read the rag anymore.
I won't bother to respond to any point you were attempting to make because it is clear, as often happens by the same people on this forum, your purpose was to criticize me for having brought this story to this topic instead of offering up some sort of dialog on the matter itself. I recommend you put me on ignore and go back to reading the Observer.
I am not criticizing you. You don't know what really happened and that's fine. You are bringing up discussion on a scenario which a subject gets arrested and proclaims discrimination while offering his side of the story.
No need to put you on ignore as I have no issue with what you posted. I don't read the CO I just couldn't help but click on the facebook page provided which took me to the CO article.
You can dismiss my legitimate questions due to the fact they aren't consistent with your views. I'm just a reasonable person asking reasonable questions.
As I said before, if there was a violation of civil rights then I will be the first in line to agree.
Yes Really. I've got no issue with that as that would be a private matter. It should be clear enough this isn't what happened here and if that was all there was too it, I would not have created this topic. I'm not going to try and explain it again because if you are interested, please re-read what I've already posted.
Actually, you are incorrect about these two facts:
The police role is just this. Tell the person to leave the property if the owner says he is trespassing and warn him he will be arrested if he doesn't. This didn't happen.
It was never mentioned the police gave him the option to leave the property before being charged with trespassing.
He wore inappropriate clothing, he was asked to fix the situation twice. He refused twice. He was asked to leave, he did not comply. Police were called, and he was arrested for violating the law of "trespass", not because of his hat. The CO creates sensationalist headlines to get readers, as did you.. Not an issue until those headlines contain misinformation.
The Epicenter has pretty loose dress codes in general, other places in there have more strict. As others have said, this is not uncommon, for many places. These dress codes are to create an atmosphere which attracts more clientale that spends money. Hence the athletic gear restriction. It's not a jogging track.
I disagree with how this man is pleading harm, when there was a simple solution. Why do people have to create an issue out of nothing.
The dress code itself is discriminatory, and club bouncers the world over are discriminatory because they will refuse admission for any number of reasons.
Little bit of power going to their heads.
Out of interest, are there any black security guys at the Epicenter?
It's the fact that they're allowed to have a discriminatory dress code that gets me. When my husband worked in accountancy he was always narked by the fact that the men were expected to wear shirts and ties, but there was no dress code for the women.
I wouldn't care to comment on whether the dress code is racially discriminatory.
It's not "technically" - he was on private property and refused to comply with a posted dress code. When he refused to leave he was arrested for second degree trespassing.
This is not rocket science folks.
Or are you saying property owners should lose the right to decide what goes on on their own property??
No, I thought I understood you were previously saying that he wasn't in trouble for refusing to turn around his cap. The Observer seems to imply that he failed to comply with that order so he was told to leave. By proxy, he was in trouble with the law for not turning around his cap, no?
The dress code itself is discriminatory, and club bouncers the world over are discriminatory because they will refuse admission for any number of reasons.
Little bit of power going to their heads.
Out of interest, are there any black security guys at the Epicenter?
It's the fact that they're allowed to have a discriminatory dress code that gets me. When my husband worked in accountancy he was always narked by the fact that the men were expected to wear shirts and ties, but there was no dress code for the women.
I wouldn't care to comment on whether the dress code is racially discriminatory.
Speaking as a former bouncer, it has less to do with a little bit of power going to one's head and more to do with preventing trouble. Like it or not, there is a certain element that dresses a certain way that will cause trouble more often than not. Are there some "innocent" people who get turned away for a club? Sure, but it is a business' right to have a dress code and refuse service for almost any reason.
I'm really not sure what the problem is here. If you don't like the dress code then go somewhere else where there isn't a dress code. I'd also be willing to wager that the person who was wearing the hat backwards was probably less than reasonable when he was informed that he was violating the dress code. And what does the weather have to do with wearing a hat backwards?
So if you walk into the Epicenter with your hat on backwards, and the CMPD tells you to reverse and you don't, not one but two cops will arrest you which includes cuffing and and being hauled off to jail.
SWEET! I wanna see it happen in person.
And if your underwear is showing, there should be a beating.
Actually, you are incorrect about these two facts:
The police role is just this. Tell the person to leave the property if the owner says he is trespassing and warn him he will be arrested if he doesn't. This didn't happen.
It was never mentioned the police gave him the option to leave the property before being charged with trespassing.
He wore inappropriate clothing, he was asked to fix the situation twice. He refused twice. He was asked to leave, he did not comply. Police were called, and he was arrested for violating the law of "trespass", not because of his hat. The CO creates sensationalist headlines to get readers, as did you.. Not an issue until those headlines contain misinformation.
The Epicenter has pretty loose dress codes in general, other places in there have more strict. As others have said, this is not uncommon, for many places. These dress codes are to create an atmosphere which attracts more clientale that spends money. Hence the athletic gear restriction. It's not a jogging track.
I disagree with how this man is pleading harm, when there was a simple solution. Why do people have to create an issue out of nothing.
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Taking bets on his removal
