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That is because of gerrymandered districts. Where Republicans had to fight on an even playing field - the Senate and the Presidency - they lost soundly.
Yet they fought on an even playing field in NC for governor and lost and lost big time. They fought in NC on an even playing filed and lost it's electoral votes. They fought in NC on an even playing field and lost State Senate seates. They fought in NC on an even playing field and lost a huge number of seats in the NC Legislature.
All in in, in this state at the state level, the Democrats lost by almost any measure. This in a state where they held their convention where hey hoped to capture more of what they described as a progressive forward looking state. A state that represented the future. (their words)
It's no surprise that Obama won the predominately black rural counties in NC.
Ahh so you are saying that Obama won because of the Black vote? i.e. that Black people only vote for Obama and/or Democrats? This dismisses 100% the reasons given above, including what you said about "even playing field, about why the people no longer vote for the GOP.
This is what happens when people make arguments on there being differences between the political parties. They invariably have to ignore certain facts to get it to work.
Ahh so you are saying that Obama won because of the Black vote? i.e. that Black people only vote for Obama?
It's no secret that blacks vote for Democrats. The Democratic Party has been most in tune with that community's interests. It's been that way since Kennedy. The GOP didn't help to stem that this year with all the racially charged rhetoric.
88 percent of the people voting for Romney were white. 70 percent of the electorate is white and that percentage is only going to get smaller.
Yet they fought on an even playing field in NC for governor and lost and lost big time. They fought in NC on an even playing filed and lost it's electoral votes. They fought in NC on an even playing field and lost State Senate seates. They fought in NC on an even playing field and lost a huge number of seats in the NC Legislature.
All in in, in this state at the state level, the Democrats lost by almost any measure. This in a state where they held their convention where hey hoped to capture more of what they described as a progressive forward looking state. A state that represented the future. (their words)
You're ignoring the shabby shape of the state-level Democratic Party here in North Carolina. There was not the enthusiasm for the Dalton as there was for Obama.
State Senate districts are not evenly drawn, nor are state legislature seats. These were also gerrymandered after the 2010 Census.
This does not show North Carolina. It's a mistake to assume that all states are the same. It doesn't address the points you are responding too. Second, I don't put much stock in opinion pieces for USA today. It's dumbed down.
What source of information do you trust, fre? You've besmirched The Economist, The New York Times, and now an aggregation of publicly available data only because it was published in USA Today.
[quote=Native_Son;26888905]I never doubted that Obama would win.
The GOP is out of touch. And as long as the tea party is a viable "wing" of the pubs they will continue to suffer serious image problems. Between their political roadblocks (I blame the pubs for being so intractable with budgets last year that our credit rating was downgraded),
Any comments about the democratic congress that dominated the first two years of the Obama administration? Like, where were they? You know, the same democratic congress that was in 'control' when the real estate market went to hell with the assistance of Barney Franks, Fannie Mae, and Freddie Mac? Things were great until Jan 2007 when the dems. took over congress. Remember? I gained much wealth in the Bush years when the Repubs. were dominant.
disregard for science, reckless attitude about education, demonization of everything "social", and scorn for *any* policy of democrats they haven't gone a full week in the last two years without putting their foot in their collective mouths.
Disregard for science? You mean like NASA, oops! that was Obama. And, where are all of those great stem cell accomplishments? You only support a green light for uncontrolled spending. I suppose you want to throw billions into the education system on computers Ipads and other things that go unused, missused, or simply disappear. Money won't make parents get involved or motivate uninspired students.
Seriously, what American would sooner see all of America fail rather than see an ounce of achievement from Obama? If you answered "the entire Republican Party" you start to see the problem.
An ounce of achievement has not been seen for four years. We Obama bashers are discusted with our so-called leader for allowing our great country to lose its status as a world power and leader. He strives to make use even weaker with proposed military cuts. What a moron. You may be happier when China or Russia are number one. I won't.
Whether making horrible comments about rape or legislating morality or making up lies to discredit their "opponents" the bottom line is that the GOP is the real problem with America.
Obama has been honest? He lied about every thing he said he was going to do the first four years. Is Gitmo gone? No. Are Mexicans legalized? No Are gays allowed to get married? No Has stem cell research made life noticably better? No Did he get Osama? No the Navy seals did after Obama was finally convinced after four attempts. All he did was give permission to respond to the intel that was provided. Did he pull the troops out of Iraq? No, they were coming out anyway according to the 'status of forces agreement' drawn up by George Bush. What he did was leave Iraq defenseless with no contingency, only a betrayal. Did he show leadership during the disasters in Florida, Tennesee, and the northeast? No, he was out campaigning. Is the the only president since WWII to miss memorial day at the tomb of the unknown soldier? Yes Doe he not realize that the stupid comment he made during the campaign about boats under water and bayonets, ets in the eyes of veterans and current members of the military? No and he obviously doesn't understand or care. The list of failures go on. Oh yea, check the unemployment figures, food stamp numbers, status of the poor lately?
Get real, who voted for Obama? unworldly misguided people (mostly students) under 30, blacks, Jews, Gays, Mexicans wanting their families to come to the U.S. and live off of the land, the content unemployed, wellfare moms that have no intention of working or stopping having brats, ex-prisoners, union leaches, dopie soccer moms that do it to be fashionable to not vote for the patriotic one, professors that don't deal with reality or have actually been 'out there.', guys that have no balls that do what their wives tell them to do, homeless, socialists, communists, anarchists, and Muslims and any other person that wants 'free stuff' for which they contributed noting to deserve. Unfortunately, that coves about half of the U.S. citizens.
Romney never stood a chance frankly. Seriously... if the GOP couldn't field a candidate suitable to beat Obama, what are they gonna do?
It wasn't a matter of beating Obama. Qualifications didn't matter. The people that voted for Obama would have done so regardless of anything he had done or planned to do. They don't care about anyone else. For example, 95% of blacks vote for him because he is black. No reationale whatsoever.
Obama presided over one of the softest economies most Americans have experienced, and they roundly think GOP policies are to blame.
What??
And I hope that the pres doesn't "play ball" with the pubs on top of the fiscal cliff. All those tax cuts should expire, and if the GOP won't settle for middle class cuts ONLY, then the GOP should should be blamed for the loss of ALL tax cuts. The Grand Old Party is showing its age.
If you ever took economics classes you would understand that the president handles international affairs (maybe not this president) and not domestic. Domestic affairs are handled by the departments and congress (democrats). As far as playing ball, one needs to know the rules of the game before being a player. Obviously the only rules that Obama understands is uncontrolled spending. He needs to butt out and let the smart guys do the work. That could include a couple of Dems.
This isn't true nor is it simple. There are a string of rural counties in Eastern North and another in the Eastern South in this state that went for Obama. I recommend that you look at a map the counties in NC vs who won.
Interestingly in many of these same counties, if you look at the governor's race, it did flip red. And that includes the urban areas like Mecklenburg.
Urban areas supported Obama due to the number of students that always vote for the most radical and anti-establishment candidate, minorities, liberals that moved here from the northeast, unemployed, and single moms that want free stuff. That includes about 60 percent of the city of Charlotte. The communitys around Charlotte are red because the majority work, pay taxes, are veterans, educated, and understand economics and national security.
What source of information do you trust, fre? You've besmirched The Economist, The New York Times, and now an aggregation of publicly available data only because it was published in USA Today.
I will trust anyone who takes the data themselves, presents it, and then draws logical conclusions based on that data where it can be debated by the party formulating said conclusion/opinion. Posting web links to opinion pieces from the corporate media doesn't do this. This is why I don't do it. Battle of the web links are boring and don't interest me.
If you think the NY Times, The Economist, whatever are good sources of information, then fine, I don't mind. I don't post here to change or criticize your opinion. What I will do however is to let you know what I think when those sources are presented as definitive, when they are not. One of the more respected sources of media in the Western world, The BBC is currently embroiled in a huge scandal where they went on TV on their prime time news no less and accused a high ranking official of pedophilia. The facts they used, turned out to be false. This debacle on top of another huge scandal involving child abuse is unfolding right now.
Completely agree. And, I don't mind being aligned with socialists if that is what you think equality is. After all, Norway, one of the most socialist countries in the world is also the happiest place in the world...GO FIGURE.
I went and 'figured.' Do you suppose that since Norway has a population about the same as South Carolina, an unemployment rate of 3 percent, and a population that is 95 percent white with the majority of the remaining being Asia could be a factor?
How can you realistically compare the two countries? The U.S. has a population of approximately 70 times larger than Norways. Even still, Norway is experiencing huge problems with a failing national health system.
By the way, Norway has a democratic constitutional form of government.
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He lied about every thing he said he was going to do the first four years. Is Gitmo gone? No. Are Mexicans legalized? No Are gays allowed to get married? No Has stem cell research made life noticably better? No Did he get Osama? No the Navy seals did after Obama was finally convinced after four attempts. All he did was give permission to respond to the intel that was provided. Did he pull the troops out of Iraq? No, they were coming out anyway according to the 'status of forces agreement' drawn up by George Bush. What he did was leave Iraq defenseless with no contingency, only a betrayal. Did he show leadership during the disasters in Florida, Tennesee, and the northeast? No, he was out campaigning. Is the the only president since WWII to miss memorial day at the tomb of the unknown soldier? Yes Doe he not realize that the stupid comment he made during the campaign about boats under water and bayonets, ets in the eyes of veterans and current members of the military? No and he obviously doesn't understand or care. The list of failures go on. Oh yea, check the unemployment figures, food stamp numbers, status of the poor lately?
