Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > North Carolina > Charlotte
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Closed Thread Start New Thread
 
Old 02-03-2010, 01:42 PM
 
Location: The Queen City
1,092 posts, read 2,699,470 times
Reputation: 665

Advertisements

What do you all think of this news which although big, is not on The Observer's front page. Do you think the "good old boy's club" system still prevails in Charlotte? If true, is it hurting your changes of getting a job if you are a minority? On the other side of the coin, Bank of America's old CEO was Al de Molina, a Cuban American. So if BofA is bias, how come they had a Hispanic CEO?

Judge: Hiring at Bank of America is biased - CharlotteObserver.com (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/banking/story/1221293.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwx q=2656770#Comments_Container - broken link)

 
Old 02-03-2010, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
624 posts, read 2,108,647 times
Reputation: 563
Quote:
In the latest twist in a long-running case, a U.S. administrative law judge has recommended a ruling that Bank of America Corp. discriminated against African-American job applicants for entry-level positions in Charlotte in 1993 and from 2002 to 2005.

The next step is for Administrative Law Judge Linda Chapman to hold a hearing and then recommend a remedy. No hearing date has been set.
If the latest date was till 2005, what remedy is the judge gonna make if it hasn't shown up in the last 5 years?

Quote:
The judge also held that the bank's failure to retain records as required by law did not lessen statistical disparities found by the agency's expert.
Which in my mind means the statistical disparities have not shown up in the last 5 years, so I guess I just don't understand the remedy part.
 
Old 02-03-2010, 03:28 PM
 
4,010 posts, read 10,212,299 times
Reputation: 1600
Quote:
Originally Posted by CLTKing View Post
.... On the other side of the coin, Bank of America's old CEO was Al de Molina, a Cuban American. So if BofA is bias, how come they had a Hispanic CEO?
This information is incorrect. Al de Molina was never CEO.

BofA's CEOs during this period were Hugh McColl who saw the rise of NCNB to BofA, Ken Lewis, and Brian Moynihan. They are all White.
 
Old 02-03-2010, 04:23 PM
 
870 posts, read 3,528,627 times
Reputation: 679
I have worked in some major companies. It is hard to be selective only in the years you want to discriminate.
What about reverse discrimination?
 
Old 02-03-2010, 04:49 PM
 
Location: Mint Hill, NC
769 posts, read 2,220,264 times
Reputation: 463
The bias is being claimed at entry level jobs, not the CEO job, which is a level where it is much more likely to have a bunch of candidates with the same or at least similar credentials applying for the same jobs.

Remedy = money, when it comes to the courts.
 
Old 02-03-2010, 05:45 PM
 
Location: metro ATL
8,180 posts, read 14,868,193 times
Reputation: 2698
Quote:
Originally Posted by njmdpanc View Post
I have worked in some major companies. It is hard to be selective only in the years you want to discriminate.
What about reverse discrimination?
That doesn't appear to be an issue in the banking industry at all, either in terms of race or gender.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 06:13 AM
 
Location: Weddington, NC
284 posts, read 606,185 times
Reputation: 293
Very strange - I don't know the details behind the case, but my wife was a recruiter for B of A (in Virginia) in this time period. She hired mostly entry-level positions, and in fact they partnered with the "Welfare to Work" program and hired many solid candidates who were looking to turn their lives around. The bulk of the hirees from Welfare to Work were not white - she hired for some of the largest B of A departments. So it makes it hard to think the bank was discriminating in this time period when they specifically partnered with a program that places many minorities in positions with the bank.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 06:43 AM
 
Location: The Queen City
1,092 posts, read 2,699,470 times
Reputation: 665
Quote:
Originally Posted by lumbollo View Post
This information is incorrect. Al de Molina was never CEO.

BofA's CEOs during this period were Hugh McColl who saw the rise of NCNB to BofA, Ken Lewis, and Brian Moynihan. They are all White.
You are right, he was the CFO, still, pretty impressive for a company that has a problem with minorities.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
624 posts, read 2,108,647 times
Reputation: 563
Quote:
Originally Posted by ellemaew View Post
...Remedy = money, when it comes to the courts.
Well yeah money, but who does it go to. Do they just review every African American (the article specifies race - it's not including all minorities)that applied for a BoA entry level position in Charlotte and got turned away during those specific years and send them a check?

The article says that it was the U.S. Department of Labor's Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs that discovered the statistically significant apparent levels of discrimination. So do they get the money / fine -- "remedy"?

The gov't is just going to give it back to BoA through another stimulus anyways.
 
Old 02-04-2010, 08:38 AM
 
4,222 posts, read 7,898,130 times
Reputation: 1582
Quote:
Originally Posted by CLTKing View Post
What do you all think of this news which although big, is not on The Observer's front page. Do you think the "good old boy's club" system still prevails in Charlotte? If true, is it hurting your changes of getting a job if you are a minority? On the other side of the coin, Bank of America's old CEO was Al de Molina, a Cuban American. So if BofA is bias, how come they had a Hispanic CEO?

Judge: Hiring at Bank of America is biased - CharlotteObserver.com (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/banking/story/1221293.html?mi_pluck_action=comment_submitted&qwx q=2656770#Comments_Container - broken link)
There are two types of "Ole Boy" systems. One is obviously used in our city government. For example the Mayor and Chief of Police had close relatives given positions despite not being the most qualified and obviously being "preselected". In the Mayor's wife's case, the job was advertised for one day. If you are familiar with fair hiring practices, that is pretty rare and unethical.

On the other hand, huge corporations use the "Old Boy" system to employ highly qualified personel through word of mouth from credible sources. This is mostly apparent in places like the B of A, where salaries are based on performance.

In either case, there will always be a sufficient representation of minorities employed regardless of qualifications in an effort to be politically correct. The same applies to promotions.

In summary, I would say that Bank of America hiring practices are not biased against minorities. If one wants to work in a "diverse and inclusive" workforce, try the government. If one wants to work in the corporate world, have something to offer. One shouldn't expect to land a job for any reason except for one's desire to work hard and advance. I believe the bias in hiring is passe in the corporate world.

Too often, a unqualified person refuses to look introspectively and see that they were/are not the most qualified person for the job. It is always easier to have a unrealistic explanation than to admit that one isn't the best for the job.

Last edited by vindaloo; 02-04-2010 at 08:56 AM..
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Closed Thread




Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > North Carolina > Charlotte
Similar Threads
View detailed profiles of:

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top