Chicago Housing Market 2022 (Brighton, Detroit: tenant, theater, median income)

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Don Cuccino

If it was mostly outside agitators it wouldn't be as effective. These are local grass roots movements. I've seen these guys protesting and it's vastly Hispanic, met a few too. Same thing with Humboldt Park, the "These flags will never come down" movement is almost exclusively Puerto Rican. Grass roots movements are 10x more effective than any astroturf or outside agitators. You are right that the vast majority of LV residents are not political activists, no argument on that part.

Well regardless, it is not a huge number of people, and they have zero track record of "success." That coffee shop opened, and later closed for other reasons. And neither Osito's nor the sushi place were ever targeted. Nor will they stop the St. Anthony's development at 31st and Kedzie. Nor did they stop the Target warehouse on Pulaski and I-55. And we don't have a socialist alderman like Pilsen does. So I don't think you're going to see the same kind of effective resistance to development that you do there, and that's relative as Pilsen will continue to gentrify. I'm not saying there won't be any resistance, I just don't think it's going to really change much.

[WestSideMillennial]

Originally Posted by BRU67

Well regardless, it is not a huge number of people, and they have zero track record of "success." That coffee shop opened, and later closed for other reasons. And neither Osito's nor the sushi place were ever targeted. Nor will they stop the St. Anthony's development at 31st and Kedzie. Nor did they stop the Target warehouse on Pulaski and I-55. And we don't have a socialist alderman like Pilsen does. So I don't think you're going to see the same kind of effective resistance to development that you do there, and that's relative as Pilsen will continue to gentrify. I'm not saying there won't be any resistance, I just don't think it's going to really change much.

The reason Ositos & sushi Sora Temakeria weren't targeted is because those establishments are FOR the community. Yes the protesters weren't able to stop multi million dollar companies like Target & St Anthony's hospital (money talks) but at the end of the day, these two developments bring jobs & resources that most people in LV would welcome.

[via chicago]

Originally Posted by WestSideMillennial

The reason Ositos & sushi Sora Temakeria weren't targeted is because those establishments are FOR the community. Yes the protesters weren't able to stop multi million dollar companies like Target & St Anthony's hospital (money talks) but at the end of the day, these two developments bring jobs & resources that most people in LV would welcome.

Explain to me how a sushi restaurant is "for" the community and a coffee shop is not for it. It wasn't even a particularly fancy coffee shop. Completely average, but fine in a pinch. I'm from the community. It was nice to be able to stop in while running an errand and get a bag of beans or a quick cup. Now there's nothing except chain options and I just go and spend my money outside the community to get what I want. I guess that's what the activists consider a win.

Anyway, change happens whether people want it to or not. If the economics support it, it will happen.

[TBideon]

Because white businesses = waaaacist gentrifiers, and everything else is honorably investing in the community.

It's that same mentality where it's both racist for grocery stores not to open in black or Hispanic communities, and also racist for them to open there due to fears of the gentrifier boogeyman.

[Don Cuccino]

Originally Posted by via chicago

Explain to me how a sushi restaurant is "for" the community and a coffee shop is not for it. It wasn't even a particularly fancy coffee shop. Completely average, but fine in a pinch. I'm from the community. It was nice to be able to stop in while running an errand and get a bag of beans or a quick cup. Now there's nothing except chain options and I just go and spend my money outside the community to get what I want. I guess that's what the activists consider a win.

Anyway, change happens whether people want it to or not. If the economics support it, it will happen.

I think it had more to do with the pricing. The coffee shop was too expensive for the area, that's why it failed. McDonalds has $2 coffee and it's packed with old timers who congregate there. The coffee shop was always empty whenever I walked passed it. Neighborhood wasn't ready, maybe in 10 years.

[via chicago]

Originally Posted by Don Cuccino

I think it had more to do with the pricing. The coffee shop was too expensive for the area, that's why it failed. McDonalds has $2 coffee and it's packed with old timers who congregate there. The coffee shop was always empty whenever I walked passed it. Neighborhood wasn't ready, maybe in 10 years.

Then let it fail or succeed on it's own merits. Arguably it did, but protesting a business that has the audacity to charge a dollar more for a cup coffee than a fast food chain is an embarrassing look for all involved. Especially given the very real issues the neighborhood is dealing with which could actually use some legitimate community action. I'd often see kids sitting in there doing homework or hanging out, and that's exactly the kind of positive public space the neighborhood needs more of.

Jumping Bean opened in Pilsen in '94 and were called gentrifiers back then too. Now they're seen as an irreplaceable neighborhood institution. It's just funny because there's literally Starbucks in gas stations now but ppl out there still think this is a logical culture war to fight.

Anyway, there's a Michelin star restaurant walking distance from Douglass Park that has $150+ tasting menus, but that seems to fly under the radar.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by Don Cuccino

I think it had more to do with the pricing. The coffee shop was too expensive for the area, that's why it failed. McDonalds has $2 coffee and it's packed with old timers who congregate there. The coffee shop was always empty whenever I walked passed it. Neighborhood wasn't ready, maybe in 10 years.

Yup. I wanted it to succeed more than anyone but a cup of coffee was over $3 as I recall, making Starbucks look like a bargain. Also, the hours were spotty (a common affliction of small new businesses in challenged communities, I've learned), the service wasn't always pleasant, and they would blast hip hop music when you were trying to read. This is my guess of why it failed. Not because they were trembling in their boots over the 11 protesters or whatever who were outside one day

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by WestSideMillennial

The reason Ositos & sushi Sora Temakeria weren't targeted is because those establishments are FOR the community. Yes the protesters weren't able to stop multi million dollar companies like Target & St Anthony's hospital (money talks) but at the end of the day, these two developments bring jobs & resources that most people in LV would welcome.

The LV protesters would not stop a grandmother in a wheelchair, much less the freight train of economic change when it comes. Pilsen is more effective (for lack of a better term) on this score because they have a communist alderman and enough affluent lefty residents to support him. But Alderman Rodriguez and Cardenas do not share the hostility towards economic development that he does.

[BRU67]

Originally Posted by via chicago

Then let it fail or succeed on it's own merits. Arguably it did, but protesting a business that has the audacity to charge a dollar more for a cup coffee than a fast food chain is an embarrassing look for all involved. Especially given the very real issues the neighborhood is dealing with which could actually use some legitimate community action. I'd often see kids sitting in there doing homework or hanging out, and that's exactly the kind of positive public space the neighborhood needs more of.

Jumping Bean opened in Pilsen in '94 and were called gentrifiers back then too. Now they're seen as an irreplaceable neighborhood institution. It's just funny because there's literally Starbucks in gas stations now but ppl out there still think this is a logical culture war to fight.

Anyway, there's a Michelin star restaurant walking distance from Douglass Park that has $150+ tasting menus, but that seems to fly under the radar.

I think the protests were over the fact that it was a coffee shop, not what it charged. I think what it charged was partially what led to its demise, along with the other factors I pointed out above. Osito's is pretty expensive too but it is owned by Mexican-Americans and has gone out of its way to support the community, so there really have been no protests about it.

[Kmanshouse]

This is like a game of telephone.

"Housing Market"

Now

Coffee shop protests.