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Not saying that you're right or wrong. and yes this could go on till our Lord returns. but for me, no problem.
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Originally Posted by SAAN
We can try to twist and beat around this topic until Jesus comes back but the facts of the matter are:
-The Sabbath is the 7th day of the week and will always be
-God wrote that command with his own fingers as one of the 10 commandments.
Yes God wrote the 10 commandments with his own fingers, but why?. Galatians 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator". well the SEED is come?.
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-Jesus, Paul, and all the other apostles kept the Sabbath and never said it would be abolished in the future.
yes, they keep the true meaning of the Sabbath, not of carnal LAW, but according to the Spirit.
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-Many biblical scriptures prove they still kept the Sabbath, Dietary Laws and Feast Days long after Christ death, the main things Christians say were abolished.
1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. IF, IF, IF, receive with thanksgiving
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-It wasnt until 1st century church leaders, that were anti-Jewish, do you start to see a shift to Sunday worship and when the RCC came to power, they enforced with brute force Sunday big time, as to why we do what we do now in regards to Sunday.
Sunday will always be a day that the church has traditionally met for worship, but it will NEVER be the Sabbath or a replacement for it, unless you do specifically what the bible says in regards to the Sabbath commands:
-No work
-No purchases
-Nothing of your own pleasures that doesnt have to do anything with God...aka no trash TV, movies, sports, social media
If your going to go that far on a Sunday to say Sunday is your Sabbath you might as well just do it on Saturday and call it a day.
Colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days”
the seed is come, my righteousness is not in me or the Law, but in the SEED, Christ Jesus.
Not saying that you're right or wrong. and yes this could go on till our Lord returns. but for me, no problem.
Yes God wrote the 10 commandments with his own fingers, but why?. Galatians 3:19 "Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator". well the SEED is come?.
yes, they keep the true meaning of the Sabbath, not of carnal LAW, but according to the Spirit.
1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; 3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer. IF, IF, IF, receive with thanksgiving
Colossians 2:14 "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days”
the seed is come, my righteousness is not in me or the Law, but in the SEED, Christ Jesus.
-The other 600 commands were added because of transgressions.
-In regards to:
1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Was the Sabbath or other commands of God a doctrine of devils or giving heed to seducing spirits?
-In regards to:
Colossians 2:14
It was the penalty of our sins that were wiped away. When reading Col 2 in context, Col 2:8 pretty much gives the clear context of that chapter
Colossians 2:8 (NKJV) 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
The Sabbath was not a philosophy, empty deceit, or tradition of men, it was a command of God.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days”
-This is clearly saying, when looking at the context of Col 2:8, that the people in Colossians were living in a pagan society and as believers to not let anyone judge them for actually keeping the commands of God or how they kept them since they are living in a pagan society. Remember if the Sabbath or Holydays were abolished, Paul would not have even mentioned them. Holyday and meat and drink are referring to the feast days, not a cancellation of the dietary laws.
-The other 600 commands were added because of transgressions.
-In regards to:
1 Timothy 4:1 "Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Was the Sabbath or other commands of God a doctrine of devils or giving heed to seducing spirits?
-In regards to:
Colossians 2:14
It was the penalty of our sins that were wiped away. When reading Col 2 in context, Col 2:8 pretty much gives the clear context of that chapter
Colossians 2:8 (NKJV) 8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.
The Sabbath was not a philosophy, empty deceit, or tradition of men, it was a command of God.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days”
-This is clearly saying, when looking at the context of Col 2:8, that the people in Colossians were living in a pagan society and as believers to not let anyone judge them for actually keeping the commands of God or how they kept them since they are living in a pagan society. Remember if the Sabbath or Holydays were abolished, Paul would not have even mentioned them. Holyday and meat and drink are referring to the feast days, not a cancellation of the dietary laws.
SAAN, you missed the point. it's all in Christ Jesus. and we in him.
SAAN, you missed the point. it's all in Christ Jesus. and we in him.
I agree its in him, but we dont have the authority to just abolish a command in the bible to suit our needs, I go to church on Sunday, but I can never argue the fact that in the title of this thread did the apostles continue to keep the Sabbath after Christ death, because they did.
I think that what comes into play here is the spirit of the law versus the letter of the law. I don't see observance of Sunday as the Sabbath as "abolishing a command to suit our needs." Maybe, according to the letter of the law, it is, but I know that, at least in my own case, according to the spirit of the law, it's not.
I agree its in him, but we dont have the authority to just abolish a command in the bible to suit our needs, I go to church on Sunday, but I can never argue the fact that in the title of this thread did the apostles continue to keep the Sabbath after Christ death, because they did.
It says Jesus is our rest, but it doesnt say the command is now null and void. Could you picture if Paul or the apostles tried to teach the Jews the Sabbath was now canceled, they would have all been stoned to death. Looks how the Jews reacted when the issue of circumcision came up.
So, basically you are saying that the author of Hebrews is saying that we have two rests? I don't think so.
I think that what comes into play here is the spirit of the law versus the letter of the law. I don't see observance of Sunday as the Sabbath as "abolishing a command to suit our needs." Maybe, according to the letter of the law, it is, but I know that, at least in my own case, according to the spirit of the law, it's not.
Excellent post. See Rom. 7:[6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
If we have the Holy Spirit and let it direct our actions, we are serving in newness of Spirit.
I think that what comes into play here is the spirit of the law versus the letter of the law. I don't see observance of Sunday as the Sabbath as "abolishing a command to suit our needs." Maybe, according to the letter of the law, it is, but I know that, at least in my own case, according to the spirit of the law, it's not.
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Originally Posted by Robert M Prince
Excellent post. See Rom. 7:[6] But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
If we have the Holy Spirit and let it direct our actions, we are serving in newness of Spirit.
Amen! Those who reside in the letter (words "written in ink") completely miss the Spirit of agape love that God has "written in our hearts." They overrule the truth the Comforter guides us to and that Christ unambiguously demonstrated and taught in favor of the letter (words "written in ink").
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