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I don't think so, if both Jesus and Paul teach the same message, which they do.
Either way, when Jesus said he came to fulfill the Deutronomy etc old laws, he fulfilled them when he was crucified, and now we are under the new covenant.
Did you read any of the links or arguments I posted earlier?
I know it could be shaking to your faith to rationally look at the argument, but.
1. Jesus did say he came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. Immediately followed by saying that if you don't follow his fathers laws, and tell others that they don't have to follow them that you will be counted least among those in heaven.
2. There are countless contradictions between Jesus and Christ, just read the link I posted earlier, I have no time to post each of the contradictions for you, the post would be to long.
I'm not misrepresenting the bible, the words are there. The Christian excuse that "Jesus fulfilled the law" is that, an excuse. Jesus never said you didn't have to follow the law, he in fact said you did have to follow the prophets laws. Meaning the Torah.
But this isn't my point. My point is that most Christians, and Muslims, realize that the old laws aren't supposed to be followed in our time, and as such live a peaceful life.
If I'm misrepresenting the bible for the wording that is within it, then others are misrepresenting the Qur'an for the wording that is within it.
Your points are 100% valid IMO. BUT the only reason we are talking about it is because leaders of modern nations with nuclear ambitions believe the old laws. And are fulfilling them now (stonings for adultery, a desire to wipe whole nations of infidels off the map etc).
So my question is - what is it about Islam which causes large portions of it's followers to take the ancient oppressive laws as for today?
Yes, I've read the bible, cover to cover, KJV and NIV. I'm in the process of reading the Torah (kind of old, I've read the old testament), and I've read the Qur'an.
When I read the bible the first time, was when I lost my faith in the Christian God.
Please let me know what you think about the passages I sent you. I find it strange that you continually do not respond to any textual evidence I send you....
No, the message is same actually with no contradiction. Besides, I never said I believe in Paul's text alone, I believe all of it.
The contradictions among what Jesus preached and what Paul preached, as well as, what James preached and what Paul preached are numerous and profound...you are either being dishonest or you have not really taken the time to compare the differences in their teachings.
The contradictions among what Jesus preached and what Paul preached, as well as, what James preached and what Paul preached are numerous and profound...you are either being dishonest or you have not really taken the time to compare the differences in their teachings.
I certainly do not intend to pick on you," ChristyGrl, but your post is handy. I sure would like to see proof of this. People repeat this, but I haven't yet seen it.
The contradictions among what Jesus preached and what Paul preached, as well as, what James preached and what Paul preached are numerous and profound...you are either being dishonest or you have not really taken the time to compare the differences in their teachings.
Can you explain some of those differences? Do you have any links or literature on this?
Please let me know what you think about the passages I sent you. I find it strange that you continually do not respond to any textual evidence I send you....
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All I'm going to say here is this.
yes, I know the bible contradicts itself numerous times.
I certainly do not intend to pick on you," ChristyGrl, but your post is handy. I sure would like to see proof of this. People repeat this, but I haven't yet seen it.
This is the second time I'm posting this, and it will be the last. Either read it, or don't, its up to you.
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I sure would like to see proof of this. People repeat this, but I haven't yet seen it.
