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All I'm going to say here is this.
yes, I know the bible contradicts itself numerous times.
Please post the contradictions you have been talking about. You have mentioned them several times but have not given anything concrete.
Here are my thoughts on the apparent 'contradictions' between old and new testament. I am very interested in your reply.
The old Testament shows laws for people to follow so that they can be seen as perfect and worthy of God's mercy. The Old Testament also shows us that no one can live up to those laws. That is the reason for a savior. Look at the book of Judges, for example. Judges follows a cyclical pattern. Israel becomes depraved, selfish and loses sight of God. God then raises a champion up to correct his people. The people repent, but then slowly fall back into their wicked ways. Again, God raises up another Champion. That is a great model for the point of the Bible as a whole - people cannot sustain the law of Moses on their own. That is the point of sacrifices in the old testament.
The coming of a Savior nullifies the need for blood sacrifices and shows the inadequacy of following the law (an impossibility for mankind).
An example of this is Romans 14:13-14
"Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean."
The law has changed with the coming of Jesus.
Another example is Galatians 2:19-21
"For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!"
Read that last bit of that a few times. "If Righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing".
Christ came (the POINT of a messiah in a Biblical sense) is to resolve the problem of how to be righteous in the eyes of God. The concept that the law is still 100% valid today would mean Christ was not the messiah. You cannot believe Christ to be the savior and still believe in following the law of Moses to the letter.
Do you have any response to what I have said in my last post? Instead of having a battle of who can find the best link, let's have a discussion.
Look, I already posted a link earlier that very clearly shows the distinctions and differences between the teachings of Paul, and his letters, and the teachings of Jesus.
Your link is summed up quite well with one line from it
The Apostle Paul himself claims divine inspiration for his writings
Just like Muhammad, and others. Even the Pope today claims divine inspiration. However, he was a Nazi youth, doesn't want to allow Catholics in countries where AIDS is rampant to use condoms, and tried to cover up priests molesting children.
Yeah, Paul was one of the first to claim divine inspiration. Jesus may have indeed sent Paul to spread the message, but then Paul twisted it into his vision of what the new religion should be, not what Jesus's was, which is clearly seen in the links in which I posted.
Did you read any of the links or arguments I posted earlier?
I know it could be shaking to your faith to rationally look at the argument, but.
1. Jesus did say he came to fulfill the law, not to abolish it. Immediately followed by saying that if you don't follow his fathers laws, and tell others that they don't have to follow them that you will be counted least among those in heaven.
2. There are countless contradictions between Jesus and Christ, just read the link I posted earlier, I have no time to post each of the contradictions for you, the post would be to long.
and ...Jesus is The Christ The Son of God, and came to fulfill THE ROYAL LAW OF LIBERTY...that is to say The Ten Commandments...and in doing so he fulfilled the law contained in ordinances...that is to say the law of Moses. It was this law contained in ordinances, which Jesus Christ proved that none before him, during his earthly life and ministry, or after him could keep because of the inability or unwillingness of the same to obey THE ROYAL LAW OF LIBERTY, which was in Christ with God by the instrumentality of The Holy Spirit long before the Crown Jewell of all creation...namely Adam (man) was created. If a great cloud of witnesses are unable to persuade you of the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus, the apparent contradictions whereof you erroneously speak will remain within you. The Blessings of The Eternal One cause you to preach The Gospel of His Christ to the followers of Islam...
and ...Jesus is The Christ The Son of God, and came to fulfill THE ROYAL LAW OF LIBERTY...that is to say The Ten Commandments...and in doing so he fulfilled the law contained in ordinances...that is to say the law of Moses. It was this law contained in ordinances, which Jesus Christ proved that none before him, during his earthly life and ministry, or after him could keep because of the inability or unwillingness of the same to obey THE ROYAL LAW OF LIBERTY, which was in Christ with God by the instrumentality of The Holy Spirit long before the Crown Jewell of all creation...namely Adam (man) was created. If a great cloud of witnesses are unable to persuade you of the simplicity that is in Christ Jesus, the apparent contradictions whereof you erroneously speak will remain within you. The Blessings of The Eternal One cause you to preach The Gospel of His Christ to the followers of Islam...
Again, as I said earlier, Jesus said that anyone who doesn't follow the law (in hebrew this means Torah), or tells others that they don't have to follow it, will be "counted lowest in heaven".
Read the subsequent posts.
This is why I wish this thread was started in the general section, not just the Christianity section. Of course most Christians believe that Jesus is God, and all that came from him is great, and they want to ignore the no eating pork, not killing gays, not killing non believers, etc.
But Jesus said that you were supposed to follow the Torah, there is no getting around that. Now Paul changed a lot of that later, but Paul wasn't Christ.
Again, as I said earlier, Jesus said that anyone who doesn't follow the law (in hebrew this means Torah), or tells others that they don't have to follow it, will be "counted lowest in heaven".
Read the subsequent posts.
This is why I wish this thread was started in the general section, not just the Christianity section. Of course most Christians believe that Jesus is God, and all that came from him is great, and they want to ignore the no eating pork, not killing gays, not killing non believers, etc.
But Jesus said that you were supposed to follow the Torah, there is no getting around that. Now Paul changed a lot of that later, but Paul wasn't Christ.
Listen friend...you stumbled over the law and into a den of thieves and robbers. Forget about Davis...his words may seem sweet as honey, but his doctrine is poison administered by the adversary of your soul. With "doctors" like that you won't need insurance. The Blessings of The Eternal One bring you the peace of Christ...
Of course most Christians believe that Jesus is God, and all that came from him is great, and they want to ignore the no eating pork, not killing gays, not killing non believers, etc.
Did you mean to say "killing gays" and "killing non believers etc." ?
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