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Old 12-05-2012, 12:49 PM
 
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According to your story (which is really mockery, and yes it is YOUR STORY) satan, "the winner" of the "numbers game", is rewarded with eternal torment in lake of fire, and God "the loser" becomes the ruler of the universe.

Who told you it is a numbers game? Preston Eby?
  1. I don't read Preston Eby.
  2. One who uses "Guilt by association" has already lost the debate.
  3. Christian's "good news" is a form of Satan worship.
  4. Christians "good news" makes God look impotent to save anyone.
  5. Christians "good news" is "Christ died for your sins and God is going to make YOU die for your sins."
  6. The Christian's view is God will never rule the universe, never has and never will. Man's free-will overrules God's will (according to them).
  7. That Satan spends an eternity in Hell (according to you) makes the matter even worse for your paradigm . . . that one so hateful could outwit Someone like God who is so loving.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Florida
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  1. I don't read Preston Eby.
  2. One who uses "Guilt by association" has already lost the debate.
  3. Christian's "good news" is a form of Satan worship.
  4. Christians "good news" makes God look impotent to save anyone.
  5. Christians "good news" is "Christ died for your sins and God is going to make YOU die for your sins."
  6. The Christian's view is God will never rule the universe, never has and never will. Man's free-will overrules God's will (according to them).
  7. That Satan spends an eternity in Hell (according to you) makes the matter even worse for your paradigm . . . that one so hateful could outwit Someone like God who is so loving.
Did a Christian person to ask you to speak for them? Obviously not, since you couldn't possibly find a worse representative than you. So, why do you pretend to be an expert in Christian beliefs when your only motivation is to smear and misrepresent their beliefs?

It is resentment. I see it all the time in people like you. Resentment urges you to mock Christians, misrepresent their beliefs and constantly harp against them. You might want to look in the mirror and ask what makes you do it.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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Did a Christian person to ask you to speak for them? Obviously not, since you couldn't possibly find a worse representative than you. So, why do you pretend to be an expert in Christian beliefs when your only motivation is to smear and misrepresent their beliefs?
Actually, I represented the Christian view spot on even if you don't like it.
Does any Christian need me to speak for them?

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It is resentment. I see it all the time in people like you. Resentment urges you to mock Christians, misrepresent their beliefs and constantly harp against them. You might want to look in the mirror and ask what makes you do it.
Wow! now you are Omniscient!

So, rather than face the very pointed issues I bring up, all you can do is to attack the messenger.

I was hoping against hope that quite possibly you would see your position and it would cause you to pause and hopefully change. But blindness keeps you from doing this.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Does any Christian need me to speak for them?
No, no one asked you to make attempts to understand what you obviously do not understand, or to try explain things you do not understand. We do not need you to speak for us, so stop it.

If you want to speak about your own beliefs, then go right ahead, but quit misrepresenting mine.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: New England
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According to your story (which is really mockery, and yes it is YOUR STORY) satan, "the winner" of the "numbers game", is rewarded with eternal torment in lake of fire, and God "the loser" becomes the ruler of the universe.

Who told you it is a numbers game? Preston Eby?
Mainstream Christianity..... It's all about putting bums on seats, while on the other hand believes only a few will find the narrow way and be saved, and live happily ever after in heaven while the rest are burning in hell.

God by the way is all about going beyond any number we can comprehend, he's the God of Good measure, pressed down shaken together and over flowing, He over abounds in grace, His amazing love is beyond anything we could imagine or think, His glory fills the earth and pours out His spirit on all flesh. God does nothing in short measure.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:51 PM
 
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No, no one asked you to make attempts to understand what you obviously do not understand, or to try explain things you do not understand. We do not need you to speak for us, so stop it.
How do you know that? Are you now claiming Omniscience?
I really think you do need me to speak for your beliefs especially when those beliefs make God and Christ look like two bafoons who can't get what they want to get done get done and who are impotent to save anyone . . . each person has to save himself/herself.

So tell me Jim, do you believe Christ died for sinners but God is going to require sinners to die for their sins?

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If you want to speak about your own beliefs, then go right ahead, but quit misrepresenting mine.
No. You don't tell me what to do. If you don't like it then go somewhere else or read other posts.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:53 PM
 
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Mainstream Christianity..... It's all about putting bums on seats, while on the other hand believes only a few will find the narrow way and be saved, and live happily ever after in heaven while the rest are burning in hell.

God by the way is all about going beyond any number we can comprehend, he's the God of Good measure, pressed down shaken together and over flowing, He over abounds in grace, His amazing love is beyond anything we could imagine or think, His glory fills the earth and pours out His spirit on all flesh. God does nothing in short measure.

pcamps. I tend to believe that God is love, and is a forgiving and merciful God. However; I also believe that there are consequences for certain things. At any rate, the constant bible thumping and preaching of eternal damnation is a bit morbid, and over the top. I can't imagine that very few go to Heaven, while the rest go to Hell. I'm not saying there aren't people sitting in Hell right now, because there have been some truely wicked people throughout the course of time. But based on the way some believe, Heaven must really be an empty place given all of the souls who have passed on.
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:55 PM
 
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pcamps. I tend to believe that God is love, and is a forgiving and merciful God. However; I also believe that there are consequences for certain things. At any rate, the constant bible thumping and preaching of eternal damnation is a bit morbid, and over the top. I can't imagine that very few go to Heaven, while the rest go to Hell. I'm not saying there aren't people sitting in Hell right now, because there have been some truely wicked people throughout the course of time. But based on the way some believe, Heaven must really be an empty place given all of the souls who have passed on.
Well one thing's for certain, heaven will be populated by Browns fans!
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Old 12-05-2012, 01:58 PM
 
Location: A great city, by a Great Lake!
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Well one thing's for certain, heaven will be populated by Browns fans!

LOL! Given the Hell that us Clevelanders have been through with our sports team, you may be on to something.
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Old 12-05-2012, 02:04 PM
 
Location: New England
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Well one thing's for certain, heaven will be populated by Browns fans!
They need to forgive Bill Belichick first ouch.
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