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I have heard people mention that death is "eternal separation from God". This is not the case, and such thinking is not supported in the Bible. It is necessary for mainstream churches to teach this understanding in order to established the doctrine of eternal torment.
Remember the last enemy to be destroyed is death:
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Now if death = eternal separation then ETERNITY is coming to an end for Eternal Separation. Now that doesn't make sense does it? and neither does such a doctrine built on it such as eternal torment.
The devil and his fallen angels , and demons are eternally separated from God , so when people turn to the devil and reject the call from God to turn from the devil who has claimed all people , and then repent of sin which attracts the devil and his possession on all people , and turn to God and receive Jesus Spirit for their eternal protection from the devil authority , then these people will be eternally lost to God ....As the last enemy death will be destroyed for those who are obedient to the call and command of Lord Jesus Christ , as God does not condone sin to be in His eternal protection of souls , because it is a corruption of perfect love of God for life ........So if you do not got Jesus Spirit protecting your soul , then this could be a grave error , so go get Jesus Spirit on your life and soul .....
I have heard people mention that death is "eternal separation from God". This is not the case, and such thinking is not supported in the Bible. It is necessary for mainstream churches to teach this understanding in order to established the doctrine of eternal torment.
Remember the last enemy to be destroyed is death:
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Now if death = eternal separation then ETERNITY is coming to an end for Eternal Separation. Now that doesn't make sense does it? and neither does such a doctrine built on it such as eternal torment.
Stop using common sense. The last enemy is exactly that. But get a theology degree and learn to explain that last does not mean last somehow.
I have heard people mention that death is "eternal separation from God". This is not the case, and such thinking is not supported in the Bible. It is necessary for mainstream churches to teach this understanding in order to established the doctrine of eternal torment.
Remember the last enemy to be destroyed is death:
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Now if death = eternal separation then ETERNITY is coming to an end for Eternal Separation. Now that doesn't make sense does it? and neither does such a doctrine built on it such as eternal torment.
I have heard people mention that death is "eternal separation from God". This is not the case, and such thinking is not supported in the Bible. It is necessary for mainstream churches to teach this understanding in order to established the doctrine of eternal torment.
Remember the last enemy to be destroyed is death:
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Now if death = eternal separation then ETERNITY is coming to an end for Eternal Separation. Now that doesn't make sense does it? and neither does such a doctrine built on it such as eternal torment.
This fails to recognize that the Bible speaks of different categories of death. Spiritual death which is separation from God in time; Physical death which is separation of the soul from the body; the second death which is spiritual death perpetuated forever. There are other categories of death as well, but it is the three mentioned above which are pertinent to this post.
The reference to death being the last enemy to be destroyed pertains to physical death which will be destroyed at the resurrection. Both believer and unbeliever will be resurrected and thus physical death will be no more.
But the resurrection of both believer and unbeliever will take place before the unbeliever is sent into the lake of fire which is called the second death. The unbeliever will be sent both body and soul into the lake of fire. The resurrected body of the unbeliever will not be subject to physical death. What does Matthew 10:28 say?
Matthew 10:28 ''Do not fear those who can kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy [apolesai; to destroy; apollumi; Strongs 622; perish] both soul and body in hell (gehenna).
The word 'destroy' is apollumi and does not refer to cessation of existence, but to being in a ruined and useless condition. And such will be the unbeliever in the lake of fire. He will exist forever in the lake of fire in a ruined and useless state.
Apollumi (destroy) refers to utter devastation. But as the noted Greek scholar W. E. Vine explains, “The idea is not extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of well-being” (An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words [Westwood, N.J.: Revel, 1940]). The term is often used in the New Testament to indicate eternal damnation (see, e.g., Mt 10:28; Lk 13:3; Jn 3:16; Ro. 2:12), which applies to unbelievers. But even with that meaning the word does not connote extinction, as annihilationists claim, but rather spiritual calamity that will continue forever. (MacArthur, J: Romans 9-16. Chicago: Moody Press or Logos) Read more >>> Romans 2:9-12 Commentary APOLLUMI
But how easy it is for those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness to simply deny that the Bible speaks of eternal separation from God for the wicked.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Of course there is always that old Universalist excuse, ''Well, aiónios doesn't mean eternal.'' In this context, yes it does. It refers to the fact that the unbeliever will forever, unendingly be separated from God. But then there's that denial thing again in which the truth is suppressed in unrighteousness.
Last edited by Michael Way; 08-20-2013 at 03:49 PM..
This fails to recognize that the Bible speaks of different categories of death. Spiritual death which is separation from God in time; Physical death which is separation of the soul from the body; the second death which is spiritual death perpetuated forever. There are other categories of death as well, but it is the three mentioned above which are pertinent to this post.
The reference to death being the last enemy to be destroyed pertains to physical death which will be destroyed at the resurrection. Both believer and unbeliever will be resurrected and thus physical death will be no more. <snip>
I disagree, and believe that the last enemy is actually "spiritual death", or being separated from God in our minds. Therefore, the last enemy to be destroyed will be that separation.
This fails to recognize that the Bible speaks of different categories of death. Spiritual death which is separation from God in time; Physical death which is separation of the soul from the body; the second death which is spiritual death perpetuated forever. There are other categories of death as well, but it is the three mentioned above which are pertinent to this post.
The reference to death being the last enemy to be destroyed pertains to physical death which will be destroyed at the resurrection. Both believer and unbeliever will be resurrected and thus physical death will be no more.
But the resurrection of both believer and unbeliever will take place before the unbeliever is sent into the lake of fire which is called the second death. The unbeliever will be sent both body and soul into the lake of fire. The resurrected body of the unbeliever will not be subject to physical death. What does Matthew 10:28 say?
Matthew 10:28 ''Do not fear those who can kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy [apolesai; to destroy; apollumi; Strongs 622; perish] both soul and body in hell (gehenna).
The word 'destroy' is apollumi and does not refer to cessation of existence, but to being in a ruined and useless condition. And such will be the unbeliever in the lake of fire. He will exist forever in the lake of fire in a ruined and useless state.
Apollumi (destroy) refers to utter devastation. But as the noted Greek scholar W. E. Vine explains, “The idea is not extinction but ruin, loss, not of being, but of well-being” (An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words [Westwood, N.J.: Revel, 1940]). The term is often used in the New Testament to indicate eternal damnation (see, e.g., Mt 10:28; Lk 13:3; Jn 3:16; Ro. 2:12), which applies to unbelievers. But even with that meaning the word does not connote extinction, as annihilationists claim, but rather spiritual calamity that will continue forever. (MacArthur, J: Romans 9-16. Chicago: Moody Press or Logos) Read more >>> Romans 2:9-12 Commentary APOLLUMI
But how easy it is for those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness to simply deny that the Bible speaks of eternal separation from God for the wicked.
2 Thessalonians 1:9 These will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,
Of course there is always that old Universalist excuse, ''Well, aiónios doesn't mean eternal.'' In this context, yes it does. It refers to the fact that the unbeliever will forever, unendingly be separated from God. But then there's that denial thing again in which the truth is suppressed in unrighteousness.
Then that would mean that Death means that something ceases to exist. So that would mean that Spiritual death would mean that the spirit ceases to exist. So much for eternal torment.
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