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They were "never in the Bible" because when the Bible was created and the Gospels were assembled, it was Emperor Constantine who over saw the council of Nicea and had them only choose books that fit his world view, and the independent minded Gnostics were not a part of that view.
The Nicene bible was not assembled by the Apostles, but by man. To hold the Nicene bible in esteem like that is to put man above Christ.
I practice Christianty...not Churchianity.
The council of Nicaea did not determine biblical canon. I repeat; the Council of Nicaea did not determine biblical canon.
What does this mean? It means that the early canons compiled (largely in response to Marcion) weren't very different from the final canon that was approved several hundred years later, AFTER Constantine was dead.
What does this mean? It means that the early canons compiled (largely in response to Marcion) weren't very different from the final canon that was approved several hundred years later, AFTER Constantine was dead.
Biblical cannon, or the bases there of, was founded by a man named Iranaeus in the second century. He believed that, from his logic at the time, there were four points of the cross and hence, there had to be four Gospels and four Gospels only. That's it.
Also, as I said, the Church grew and became this one monolithic entity that stampted out individuality and forced everyone to conform with it's world view on pain of death Albigensian Crusade - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And the council of Nicaea, over viewed by Constantine, is where we get the Nicene Creed from, which is the basis for mainline Christianity today and what the entire NT was based on. Any book that did not conform with the Nicene Creed was banned.
i believe that the scrolls that were recently found are books from the bible that were taken out like the book of Thomas and of marry and many others how do most of you feel about them if they are true then we as a people have some changing to do in our beliefs, and how we feel.
Much study has been done by many brilliant people not to mention through divine guidance that I would be 100% certain that those books don't belong.
Much study has been done by many brilliant people not to mention through divine guidance that I would be 100% certain that those books don't belong.
Those self-same divinely guided brilliant people produced the infamous "witch hunt treatise" responsible for so many deaths of "witches." If someone in authority accused you of being a witch and you denied it . . . you were burned anyway because your denial was proof the witch possessed your tongue and wouldn't let you confess!! Yeah . . . brilliant!!
I have read many of the writing attributed to being lost books or just plain old rejected books. Many of them are from much later dates than they claim usually arounf the 15th century while claiming 1st or second. None of them meet the criteria of being authentic but they can be useful for unbderstanding certain cultures. Now there are books referenced by Christ that have been claimed to have been found and even they do not meet the same criteria of canon. The apocrypha is a good example of books being good for understanding but not quite making the cut. I believe we have the Bible as God intended and in are enthusiasm to be right all the time we misinterprit it and like to play word games and take things out of context. We must also understand that words change meaning over time, like gay meant happy not homosexual, Church meant house of the Lord and not just a gethering place for a religion, Aweful meant full of awe instead and not crap.
We must be careful because the Lord did warn us that in the endtimes many would fall away seeking after false Christs and preachers who tickle their ears.
Those self-same divinely guided brilliant people produced the infamous "witch hunt treatise" responsible for so many deaths of "witches." If someone in authority accused you of being a witch and you denied it . . . you were burned anyway because your denial was proof the witch possessed your tongue and wouldn't let you confess!! Yeah . . . brilliant!!
You really are off your rocker on this one, the witch hunts were like 1500 years after canon had been discovered. Read the words of Christ and you will see that the witch hunts were not of Christ but of men who tried to subvert Christ and failed.
You really are off your rocker on this one, the witch hunts were like 1500 years after canon had been discovered. Read the words of Christ and you will see that the witch hunts were not of Christ but of men who tried to subvert Christ and failed.
Are you seriously seeking to dissuade my distrust of the interpreters and deciders about what is of God and what is Christian by suggesting that it wasn't done by the morons in the 15th century but even earlier more savage and primitive morons a millennia or more earlier??From 328 A.D. until 1870 A.D. no less than twenty ecclesiastic or church councils were held to clarify doctrine. Self-appointed judges in the four Lateran Councils between 1123 A.D. and 1215 A.D. decided to remove completely from the bible those writings which did not please them or were inconsistent with their preferred belief system.
Do you not realize that the Catholic power play did not happen until about the 6th century, about the same time as Islam was formed?
The Catholic church has been around for ages before Islam. They were the "Universal Church" of the Nicene Creed who stamped out Arianism, gnosticism, and later the Cathars (massacring the Cathars, of whom Saint Bernard, a Catholic, their enemy had to admit "No sermons are more Christian than theirs, and their morals are pure")
Until the Nicene Creed, Christians were a tapestry of works and believes...after, it was official "One God, One Book, One Bishop" The Bishop of Rome that is.
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