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You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
not holding to the truth carries the same guilty verdict as murder as far as God is concerned.
James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.
Jesus said: (Concerning Satan) He was a murderer from the beginning. John 8:44
I would like to know (from those that possess knowledge). Where in the scriptures does it back this statement of Jesus up? (IN the mouth of two or three witness shall every word be established.)
Now I am not going to use Human reasoning, assumptions, presumptions conjecture;
Nothing is ever written in the bible just once. God always repeats himself again & again.
Who did Satan Murder?
I want the Word of God - not the thoughts of men. ANY IDEAS that are biblical ?
Satan gets into mans thoughts and puts suicide suggestions into thought and man murders himself.
Satan was responsible for the murder(s) of All mankind
Despite what God had clearly said, the devil lied and told Eve that she would not die if she ate of the tree. Thus, the devil was responsible for the death of all mankind because of his lie.
As the above passage indicates, the devil was a murderer from the beginning because of his lies to Eve. Notice what takes place in Genesis 3:1-7, which records the fall of mankind into sin. "Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. AND THE SERPENT SAID UNTO THE WOMAN, YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat. And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons."
Even so it is with the devil. He stood right there telling Eve that she would not die if she ate of the forbidden tree. By his encouraging her to do something which God said would kill mankind, the devil thus became a murderer by his lies.
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Originally Posted by Atkutuq
Killing someone and murder are two different things.
God never said: Thou shalt not kill.
God said: Thou shalt not murder!
That had nothing to do with my point! It does not negate my point in my post - it seems you have to find something to nit-pick about.
But even that fails - the term used, for kill, in 'Thou shalt not kill' is 'ratsach' - it is the same term used in Deut.4:42; 19:3-4 and Joshua 20:3 of the one who kills without knowledge or premeditation or motive - an accident.
But even that fails - the term used, for kill, in 'Thou shalt not kill' is 'ratsach' - it is the same term used in Deut.4:42; 19:3-4 and Joshua 20:3 of the one who kills without knowledge or premeditation or motive - an accident.
Actually ratsach is rotze'ach which is "slayer" in this passage. But to understand its usage in the passage "the devil" needs to be reverted back to "the satan" which reverts back to hasatan.
hasatan (Hebrew word) is an accuser for this passage. Thus once one knows the original word used and its correct translation, then the passage falls into place where murderer becomes slayer and thus within its context the person is a verbal slayer (sort of like the pen is mightier than the sword dated back a few thousand years becomes the tongue is mightier than the sword) due to the meaning of hasatan.
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