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Old 07-12-2014, 08:57 AM
 
Location: New England
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No it doesn't.
Paul gave us secrets hid from the eons. No one knew about them. Even the 12 apostles didn't know about them and even Peter said what Paul writes is hard to understand.
For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

You just have to look for it.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:10 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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Yes, that would be the perception of those under the Mosaic Covenant. Jesus showed God to be concerned with ALL mankind and with reconciliation rather than revenge.
Then either you are misinformed \ not being truthful or Jesus was not.
Just as an example of some instances where I believe Jesus is telling the truth
The Parable of the Ten Minas .... Luke 19:11-26

The Parable of the Tenants
.... Mark 12:1-12

Warning Against the Teachers of the Law ... Mark 12:38-40

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law .... Luke 11:37-54

Revelation 14:10
they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of
his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb.

which by the way explains HOW you're getting Jesus' intention wrong.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:26 AM
 
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For there is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open.

You just have to look for it.
Disclosed and known in the Scriptures.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:28 AM
 
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Then either you are misinformed \ not being truthful or Jesus was not.
Just as an example of some instances where I believe Jesus is telling the truth
The Parable of the Ten Minas .... Luke 19:11-26

The Parable of the Tenants
.... Mark 12:1-12

Warning Against the Teachers of the Law ... Mark 12:38-40

Woes on the Pharisees and the Experts in the Law .... Luke 11:37-54

Revelation 14:10
they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of
his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and
of the Lamb.

which by the way explains HOW you're getting Jesus' intention wrong.
Just because he is upset with some of mankind does not mean He is not concerned with all mankind.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:28 AM
 
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Disclosed and known in the Scriptures.
Is that where Job discovered that his redeemer lived ?.
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:36 AM
 
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Just because he is upset with some of mankind does not mean He is not concerned with all mankind.
True ... nor does it mean that because He is concerned that God's wrath doesn't remain on those who reject.

John 3:36 verifies this that these are the truth Luke 19:11-26, Mark 12:1-12, Mark 12:38-40, Luke 11:37-54, Revelation 14:10 among others
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Old 07-12-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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Disclosed and known in the Scriptures.
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Is that where Job discovered that his redeemer lived ?.
and whose to say why not .... yet we're to accept he didn't from the usual crowd of people who verbally \ silently approve of those who accuse God being a narcissistic, vengeful, murderous god?
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Old 07-12-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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and whose to say why not .... yet we're to accept that from the usual crowd of people who verbally \ silently approve of those who accuse God being a narcissistic, vengeful, murderous god?
God is not any of what you are saying, the god of the carnal religious mind is.
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Old 07-12-2014, 10:25 AM
 
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Is that where Job discovered that his redeemer lived ?.
Of course. He read it in the book of Job. :-)
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Old 07-12-2014, 10:26 AM
 
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True ... nor does it mean that because He is concerned that God's wrath doesn't remain on those who reject.

John 3:36 verifies this that these are the truth Luke 19:11-26, Mark 12:1-12, Mark 12:38-40, Luke 11:37-54, Revelation 14:10 among others
It remains on them until He saves them.
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