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As far as the NT represents his words - I already said - yes!
yes, as in a false prophet?. if so, well, that just told me that you don't know our Lord Jesus, or the NT. because according to the NT he fulfilled what he said. it is your ignorance that blinds you, again, if you read Post #18, it contradict your statement, and render it as false. I see you did not read post #18, or if you did, not with understanding. this is what I been saying, before one throw a stone, one need to be far away, because the very stone one throw, it will come back and hit you in the head. I suggest you re-read the new testament, you're missing a lot of information.
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yes, as in a false prophet?. if so, well, that just told me that you don't know our Lord Jesus, or the NT. because according to the NT he fulfilled what he said. it is your ignorance that blinds you, again, if you read Post #18, it contradict your statement, and render it as false. I see you did not read post #18, or if you did, not with understanding. this is what I been saying, before one throw a stone, one need to be far away, because the very stone one throw, it will come back and hit you in the head. I suggest you re-read the new testament, you're missing a lot of information.
Why would a Savior who presumably wants to save all men speak in veiled language that most people could not understand and therefore could not use it to make a rational decision whether or not to accept Him as Savior. Anyway, Jesus said it is not our prerogative but the prerogative of the Holy Spirit to decide who will come to Him and who will not?
"No one knows the son except the Father and no one knows the Father except the son and to whomever the son will reveal Him."
"It is written in the prophets everyone shall be taught by God. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him and I will raise him up on the last day."
All this would be true, chuckmann, if we were going to go with Jesus being just an ordinary man who fancied himself a prophet who was able to make accurate predictions about when He was going to return and just happened to get the timing wrong.
But Jesus wasn't an ordinary man, at least by fundamentalists' assertions. He was divine--God Himself made flesh, and as God He would not be basing His teaching on traditions as ordinary men would; He would not be mixing His metaphors, so to speak between messages of love and messages of apocalypse; he would not have been inconsistent throughout His life on any issues.
Unless he wasn't God, and was just another apocalyptic rabbi wandering the deserts of Israel preaching inaccurate stuff just like about a hundred others were at the time. I would NOT expect God in the flesh to say, "There are some standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power..."
Either Jesus is talking about the people of His time or He is talking about the people of a future time. If He's talking about the people of a future time He certainly worded it very badly, and I would not expect God to make a mistake in wording so disastrous that even Paul would have relied on it to teach his followers, "Listen, don't worry so much about the things of this life and don't bother to get married because the current Age is about to end and Jesus will be returning in our lifetime to set up His kingdom."
But what if Jesus was not the Son of God, but a son of God? As was David?
I do NOT believe that Jesus ever claimed to be THE son of God, as we modern folk understand the terms father and son.
See, I believe God speaks to all of us all the time. The question is, do we ever listen?
Well. I believe Jesus listened, and understood the message of love, and preached it. And that message was revolutionary!!! Witness the world today, the result of the Christian message.
The problem with contemporary Christianity is that it is based upon 1500 years of misguided theology. Time for modern Christians to evolve, to re-evaluate the theology, based upon the teaching of Jesus and the examples of the 1st century practices.
LISTEN to God when He speaks. Because He tells us the direction we need to walk.
But what if Jesus was not the Son of God, but a son of God? As was David?
I do NOT believe that Jesus ever claimed to be THE son of God, as we modern folk understand the terms father and son.
See, I believe God speaks to all of us all the time. The question is, do we ever listen?
Well. I believe Jesus listened, and understood the message of love, and preached it. And that message was revolutionary!!! Witness the world today, the result of the Christian message.
The problem with contemporary Christianity is that it is based upon 1500 years of misguided theology. Time for modern Christians to evolve, to re-evaluate the theology, based upon the teaching of Jesus and the examples of the 1st century practices.
LISTEN to God when He speaks. Because He tells us the direction we need to walk.
Jesus, the Lord is "THE" Son of the Living God. not "a" son but "THE, "only" begotten. for he is David son in flesh, but God's Son in Spirit. Matthew 22:41 "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?”.
that's a good question. so how is Jesus David son, if he was before David as his Lord?.
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