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Thank you my dear sister, Pleroo. That is one of my favorite analogies. I also find many of your posts to be quite insightful and inspiring too. Still can't rep you though.
No Finn . . . you are confused and blinded by your indoctrination into the "precepts and doctrines of men" that have nothing to do with Christ's Gospel of love. There is no way that ANYONE is "born again" while still alive from the birth of the flesh. No one is remotely "like the wind" while still flesh and blood. We are "born of God" which means "conceived" (begotten) by God as "embryo Spirits" designed to mature and be "born again" as Spirit upon our death. That means that we are born of Spirit (God). You still think we are physical beings . . . but we are spirit beings inhabiting this flesh as a "spiritual womb." All the "precepts and doctrines of men" that you have been taught to believe are wrong. There is no magic about any of it.Disagreeing with you or anyone else is NOT failing to display agape love. Witnessing to the truth that I know to be truth is. No one gains any brownie points with God for anything. We are to "love God and each other" daily and repent when we don't, period. That is how we are sanctified under Christ's love for us all.
OK, I will have to admit I won't be able to extract a direct answer from you, so I will let you go. Considering the fact that you have invented your own religion, I think the "precepts and doctrines of men" fits you better than me.
Mystic, many do not like your consciousness explanations because they are not expressed in bible language that gives their itching ears some air of authentication. and because anything to do with consciousness is condemned from the pulpits by those who do not know God as being new age.
New thought has as many holes as the handed down old thoughts that most bible believing christians hold to, including many universalists.
Your thoughts are not my thoughts....... What do you mean God, we have the bible to know your thoughts ?.
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end. Hang on God,i thought that you said you created evil
Because you have a bible does not mean you know the thoughts of God
This is why we are supposed to trust only the true church as handed down in succession
by the Holy Apostles to their disciples and bishops, who wrote about all this in the
first centuries of Christian life, where there was much confusion among those such
as the gnostics and other heretics. It is complex however the ancient heresies are
constantly being revived and new twists on them have been appearing.
Notes on the realization that some people do not believe that we are sinners in need of a Savior..
Not sure who your post is directed towards, but this is not true for me, personally. I simply don't believe that I need to be saved FROM GOD (penal subsitution theory of atonement), but rather that God IS my savior.
This is why we are supposed to trust only the true church as handed down in succession
by the Holy Apostles to their disciples and bishops, who wrote about all this in the
first centuries of Christian life, where there was much confusion among those such
as the gnostics and other heretics. It is complex however the ancient heresies are
constantly being revived and new twists on them have been appearing.
I am sorry to say Snowball, although you catholics are lovely folk(and i really mean that), Rome carried on where the previous religious system had left off.
Division is a form of substraction . . . just as multiplication is a form of addition. What is subtracted is the veil of ignorance over the nature of God and His motives. It is replaced by the true nature of God unambiguously revealed by Jesus.
Your theology simply does not stack up. You use a small % of Scripture combined with a large % of your opinion (which you try to pass off as "rightly-dividing" the word). Your theology, in large part, contradicts the prophets, Jesus, and the apostles. Therefore, your theology is a fraud. You can't be trusted to speak the truth.
Not sure who your post is directed towards, but this is not true for me, personally. I simply don't believe that I need to be saved FROM GOD (penal subsitution theory of atonement), but rather that God IS my savior.
Maybe you could discuss it on that thread, as opposed to trying to import it here. Just an idea
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What is subtracted is the veil of ignorance over the nature of God and His motives. It is replaced by the true nature of God unambiguously revealed by Jesus.
