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There are those that love scripture and those that worship the bible, you are of the latter. Your posts make this perfectly clear.
I worship God. Period. I do not worship the Scripture but I believe the Scripture is the Word of God and is authoritative as if God were right here next to me. This is the exact same position as Jesus takes and I have proven that through His many teachings regarding the Scripture. You have yet to offer any Scripture that refutes this claim.
The fulfillment of the law has always been to love your neighbor as yourself, not to earn a right into heaven, but simply out of love.
Scripture says love does no harm to your neighbor, therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Now, the secret to doing this is having the love of God shed abroad in our hearts.
No...Fulfillment of the LAW means to interpret it correctly...To kill the LAW means to interpret it incorrectly...
This is completely false. The fulfillment of the Law that Christ was speaking of was the perfect sacrifice for sin. God is perfectly just and sin requires divine justice. Jesus paid the price for our sin. Yes, the motivation to send His Son was love, but the fulfillment was the final sacrifice that goats and rams and lambs could never acheive.
No...He was talking about interpreting it correctly...
No...Fulfillment of the LAW means to interpret it correctly...To kill the LAW means to interpret it incorrectly...
What you seem to miss is that what is needed is a recognition of the purpose of the Law, the Spirit as opposed to the letter. When the spirit or intent is understood and applied, the Law is fulfilled, and the purpose is always to promote and facilitate that conncern for the well-being of everyone in any situarion that is known as "love, or "agape." This is why those two commandments are the fulfillment of the Law.
People who insist on reading and applying things in the Old Testament are always concerned about judgement and control. an absolute misunderstanding of Law.
A difficult passage for many Christians is Jesus' saying in Matthew 5:17 that he "came not to abolish the law but to fulfill it." A traditional way of interpreting it is to say that when Jesus "fulfilled the Law" he brought it to an end, even though in the next several verses, Jesus says quite forcefully that this isn't true. The key is that the phrase "fulfill the Law" is an idiom, and found several other places in the New Testament and in Jewish sayings from Jesus' time. By studying these passages we can understand the saying more fully. Moreover, we can read Paul's important writings about "fulfilling the law," and see what they mean for us.
"Fulfill the Law" as a Rabbinic Idiom It will help us greatly to know that the phrase "fulfill the Torah" is a rabbinic idiom that is still in use even today.The word we read as "law" is torah in Hebrew, and its main sense is teaching, guidance and instruction, rather than legal regulation. It is God's instructions for living, and because of God's great authority, it demands obedience and therefore takes on the sense of "law." The Torah is often understood to mean the first five books of the Bible, but also refers to the Scriptures in general. In Jesus' time, and among Jews today, this is a very positive thing - that the God who made us would give us instructions for how to live.1 The rabbis made it their goal to understand these instructions fully and teach people how to live by it. The translation of "to fulfill" is lekayem in Hebrew (le-KAI-yem), which means to uphold or establish, as well as to fulfill, complete or accomplish.2 David Bivin has pointed out that the phrase "fulfill the Law" is often used as an idiom to mean to properly interpret the Torah so that people can obey it as God really intends. The word "abolish" was likely either levatel, to nullify, or la'akor, to uproot, which meant to undermine the Torah by misinterpreting it. For example, the law against adultery could be interpreted as specifically against cheating on one's spouse, but not about pornography. When Jesus declared that lust also was a violation of the commandment, he was clarifying the true intent of that law, so in rabbinic parlance he was "fulfilling the Law."In contrast, if a pastor told his congregation that watching x-rated videos was fine, he would be "abolishing the Law" - causing them to not live as God wants them to live. Here are a couple examples of this usage from around Jesus' time: - What Does It Mean to "Fulfill the Law"?
What you seem to miss, is that what is needed is a recognition of the purpose of the Law, the Spirit as opposed to the letter. When the spirit or intent is understood and applied, the Law is fulfilled, and the purpose is always to promote and facilitate that conbcern for the well-being of everyone in any situarion that is known as "love, or "agape." This is why those two commandments are the fulfillment od the Law.
People who insist on reading and applying things in the Old Testament are always concerned about judgement and control. an absolute misunderstanding of Law.
Nate, what you seem to misunderstand is that we are dealing with a Hebraic Idiom...Which means to "Interpret Correctly"...
I worship God. Period. I do not worship the Scripture but I believe the Scripture is the Word of God and is authoritative as if God were right here next to me. This is the exact same position as Jesus takes and I have proven that through His many teachings regarding the Scripture. You have yet to offer any Scripture that refutes this claim.
How is it you fail to see that the crux of the ministry of Jesus Christ lacks any old testament reference?. He did not quote the old testament scriptures how you have convinced yourself that he did. Refute what ? that the bible is the word of God?, that is easy, it is not, Jesus Christ according to the scriptures is.
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