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I have no problem with that, and interpreting correctly is exactly what I have said.
Ok...Just as long as you don't say that he meant "when he has died and rose again" is what is meant by "fulfill the LAW"...Because the other part of that is that the heavens and earth must pass away before one jot or tittle will pass from the LAW...Heaven and earth are still here...And always will be...So, what do you think he meant then???...
This is completely false. The fulfillment of the Law that Christ was speaking of was the perfect sacrifice for sin. God is perfectly just and sin requires divine justice. Jesus paid the price for our sin. Yes, the motivation to send His Son was love, but the fulfillment was the final sacrifice that goats and rams and lambs could never acheive.
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This ^^^^^ is the vanity of worship Jesus referred to, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men, commandments that hold them in darkness.
Amen, pcamps. How can ANYONE actually believe that blood sacrifices were EVER required by God to appease His wrath? What kind of murderous and evil God do they worship??? How can they reconcile such an evil God with the God who IS agape love that Jesus revealed so unambiguously??? Can they actually imagine asking their child who misbehaves to go get some innocent lamb and kill it to appease them???? What kind of non-primitive and savage 21st century mind sees this as reasonable, normal or even remotely acceptable????
Amen, pcamps. How can ANYONE actually believe that blood sacrifices were EVER required by God to appease His wrath? What kind of murderous and evil God do they worship??? How can they reconcile such an evil God with the God who IS agape love that Jesus revealed so unambiguously??? Can they actually imagine asking their child who misbehaves to go get some innocent lamb and kill it to appease them???? What kind of non-primitive and savage 21st century mind sees this as reasonable, normal or even remotely acceptable????
I agree but doesn't that negate Jesus' death as a sacrifice to God as well?
Amen, pcamps. How can ANYONE actually believe that blood sacrifices were EVER required by God to appease His wrath? What kind of murderous and evil God do they worship??? How can they reconcile such an evil God with the God who IS agape love that Jesus revealed so unambiguously??? Can they actually imagine asking their child who misbehaves to go get some innocent lamb and kill it to appease them???? What kind of non-primitive and savage 21st century mind sees this as reasonable, normal or even remotely acceptable????
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I agree but doesn't that negate Jesus' death as a sacrifice to God as well?
No. It was NEVER about paying God or accepting punishment for our sins, Kat. He was brutalized BECAUSE of our sins (savagery and barbarity). It was always about doing what none of us could do . . . achieve perfect agape love for us all . . . including those who tortured and murdered Him for His Gospel of agape Love that contradicted their savage beliefs about God from reading the OT. He was our "designated hitter." He brought the consciousness of God to His HUMAN consciousness. When He died and was "born again" as Spirit (as we are to be) . . . His Human Spirit (Comforter) connected ALL human consciousness to God's consciousness in agape love. THAT is how He is the Way to God.
No. It was NEVER about paying God or accepting punishment for our sins, Kat. He was brutalized BECAUSE of our sins (savagery and barbarity). It was always about doing what none of us could do . . . achieve perfect agape love for us all . . . including those who tortured and murdered Him for His Gospel of agape Love that contradicted their savage beliefs about God from reading the OT. He was our "designated hitter." He brought the consciousness of God to His HUMAN consciousness. When He died and was "born again" as Spirit (as we are to be) . . . His Human Spirit (Comforter) connected ALL human consciousness to God's consciousness in agape love. THAT is how He is the Way to God.
No. It was NEVER about paying God or accepting punishment for our sins, Kat. He was brutalized BECAUSE of our sins (savagery and barbarity). It was always about doing what none of us could do . . . achieve perfect agape love for us all . . . including those who tortured and murdered Him for His Gospel of agape Love that contradicted their savage beliefs about God from reading the OT. He was our "designated hitter." He brought the consciousness of God to His HUMAN consciousness. When He died and was "born again" as Spirit (as we are to be) . . . His Human Spirit (Comforter) connected ALL human consciousness to God's consciousness in agape love. THAT is how He is the Way to God.
I completely agree but you are so much better at explaining that so I asked the question.
No. It was NEVER about paying God or accepting punishment for our sins, Kat. He was brutalized BECAUSE of our sins (savagery and barbarity). It was always about doing what none of us could do . . . achieve perfect agape love for us all . . . including those who tortured and murdered Him for His Gospel of agape Love that contradicted their savage beliefs about God from reading the OT. He was our "designated hitter." He brought the consciousness of God to His HUMAN consciousness. When He died and was "born again" as Spirit (as we are to be) . . . His Human Spirit (Comforter) connected ALL human consciousness to God's consciousness in agape love. THAT is how He is the Way to God.
Your beliefs are contrary to what the Bible teaches.
Jesus died FOR our sins as is so plainly stated in Scripture. As Jesus Himself said,
Matthew 20:28 just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many."
Jesus tasted death for everyone.
Hebrew 2:9 But we do see Him who was made for a little while lower than the angels, namely, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, so that by the grace of God He might taste death for everyone.
Jesus' sacrificial death was substitutionary.
Hebrews 10:12 but He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, sat down at the right hand of God.
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