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Regardless of the analogy...
John 6:29 - Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
The Holy Spirit must be received through believing in Christ. That's the program GOD put in place.
I disagree with your evaluation of that verse in particular. This is the WORK of God. It's God's work that you believe not YOUR WORK. Does God not complete his work? Is he incompetent?
John 6:29 - Jesus answered and said to them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent."
The Holy Spirit must be received through believing in Christ. That's the program GOD put in place.
You insist on misunderstanding the phrase "pisteuo eis" as "believe IN" but it has nothing to do with superficial acceptance and beliefs IN things ABOUT Christ. It is an inner response (believe ON/INTO) to a higher authority (Comforter) that is reflected in our "fruits" as delineated in 1 Cor 13, Galatians 5 and the Sermon on the Mount . . . by their fruits will you know they are mine.
I disagree with your evaluation of that verse in particular. This is the WORK of God. It's God's work that you believe not YOUR WORK. Does God not complete his work? Is he incompetent?
The bold is exactly correct.
The underlined must occur. Our belief is PART of God's work. It is absolutely necessary that we believe. And what does that say for those who do not believe?
The underlined must occur. Our belief is PART of God's work. It is absolutely necessary that we believe. And what does that say for those who do not believe?
Again... your belief is dependent on God's work. If he doesn't do the work then you won't believe. Those that don't believe WILL because God doesn't fail (even though you think he does).
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…
God is the one working. Unbelievers are also God's work. It is not you who believe, it is God working in you that has you believing.
Again... your belief is dependent on God's work. If he doesn't do the work then you won't believe. Those that don't believe WILL because God doesn't fail (even though you think he does).
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…
God is the one working. Unbelievers are also God's work. It is not you who believe, it is God working in you that has you believing.
You were good until you got to the red.
God does have a purpose for unbelievers...
Proverbs 16:4 - The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.
Proverbs 16:4 - The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.
Why do you have such animosity for it being God that succeeds in getting what he desires? Why is Universalism so threatening to what you believe?
BTW - You misunderstand what that verse you quote means. "the wicked" is an actively bad person (not an unbeliever as you assume) and the "day of evil" is the result of their bad behavior not a future date. The verse simply states that God made everything for ITS purpose, the bad behavior will be rewarded in kind. Like Karma.
Why do you have such animosity for it being God that succeeds in getting what he desires? Why is Universalism so threatening to what you believe?
BTW - You misunderstand what that verse you quote means. "the wicked" is an actively bad person (not an unbeliever as you assume) and the "day of evil" is the result of their bad behavior not a future date. The verse simply states that God made everything for ITS purpose, the bad behavior will be rewarded in kind. Like Karma.
Go back to page 1 to what I stated. Nothing we say here is threatening God's plan. Nothing you have claimed here is threatening to me. The animosity may be on your end - but it isn't with me. I am just giving you God as He presents Himself, without an agenda.
Don't like the Proverbs verbs... how about this one?
Romans 9:22-23 - What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles.
The reason for unbelievers is right there for you - if you can stomach it.
The two underlined parts are the believers, and unbelievers.
Do you not understand that what God does is not a matter of MY or YOUR opinion?
I never asked if you had an opinion, i asked would you be alright with it ?.
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