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Old 11-08-2015, 12:59 AM
 
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Well are there thousands of people out there claiming to have real encounters with Santa? No. Cmon some common sense is at play here. If you are going to claim something against a majority opinion then yea the onus is on you to back it up.
There ARE thousands who believe they have been abducted by Aliens. That doesn't make me believe in Aliens. I've never seen one nor been bothered by one. Of course I can't prove Aliens are not real. Nor can those who believe they are real prove it or make me believe in them.

Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street? I watch that a lot these days. It is much more exciting than porn.
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Old 11-08-2015, 01:05 AM
 
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If one is not in to the bible, they are not a part of God, they are on the outside looking out as pretend Christians, the Bible is all we need, not the Tanakh or the Koran but the Holy Bible.
I'm pretty sure none of us alive today are IN the bible. Well, you probably meant to say in agreement with and constantly reading the bible. Sigh....
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:21 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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You should... but you have the option to not grow in Christ.

The point of being born again is that one becomes a member of the family of God through faith in the gospel - that is a one time permanent occurrence. The long term benefit is eternal, in that we will dwell in the presence of God for eternity after this life. The short term benefit should be that we grow so that our life looks like Christ, the benefit of having God work through his earthly family members, and the benefit of navigating through the trials on earth.

But like a kid in a normal family is hard headed and does not listen, some in the family of God are the same way - and they do not receive the fullness of benefits that are offered because of their general unfaithfulness towards God.
So, what you're saying is that your religion doesn't require you even try to live a Christ-like life because if you claim you "believe", you're saved. What perfect cover for hypocrites!
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:47 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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You sound like an angry person- are you one of the many on here that passes judgement on Christians? I would assume that you are intelligent enough to realize that becoming a Christian does not mean one will never sin again. If anyone could remain sinless, than Christs death on the cross was in vain. The assumption that anyone that identifies themself as a Christian should act like an angel is silly. Yes, behavior changes, but we're still human. I don't commit alot of the sins I used to, or I commit them less often or to a lesser degree. Instead of looking to criticize Christians, you might want to look at yourself and see what you need to improve on.
Why is it silly? Because "Christians" want their proverbial cake and eat it, too, expecting salvation despite acting like dirt-bags just because they think they're "saved"?

I'm Roman Catholic. My faith doesn't give me a pass for bad behavior just because I "believe". If I choose to engage in bad behavior, it's my choice because I have free will, not something forced on me by Satan. I have to own it and confess to it with the firm intention of not doing it again in order for that sin to be removed, and I'm not being saved if my soul is filled with unrepented sins, no matter what kind of charade of religiosity and piety I put on for the public or for myself.
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Old 11-08-2015, 05:49 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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It's the easy, greasy grace way of the fundamentalist. They can keep right on sinning since it's all covered by having believed in Jesus. Total B.S. as far as I'm concerned. I suppose this explains why they can also despise and condemn others with such ease and not repent of that as well. They clearly do not understand the meaning of the term Pharisee nor do they realize how much Jesus had to say against such believers.
Agreed. They think they have a "Get out of Hell free" card.
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Old 11-08-2015, 08:41 AM
 
Location: Florida
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It's the easy, greasy grace way of the fundamentalist. They can keep right on sinning since it's all covered by having believed in Jesus. Total B.S. as far as I'm concerned.
What happens to them (according to your beliefs) if they sin?
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Old 11-08-2015, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Agreed. They think they have a "Get out of Hell free" card.
So, you are saying those believers are going to hell, but you are not?
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Old 11-08-2015, 08:56 AM
 
Location: New England
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It's the easy, greasy grace way of the fundamentalist. They can keep right on sinning since it's all covered by having believed in Jesus. Total B.S. as far as I'm concerned. I suppose this explains why they can also despise and condemn others with such ease and not repent of that as well. They clearly do not understand the meaning of the term Pharisee nor do they realize how much Jesus had to say against such believers.
The problem with the fundamentalist way of thinking is they believe everyone but them is attempting to earn their way to heaven but themselves...... so anyone in their mind trying to earn their way to heaven is a Pharisee..... Jesus never spoke out against good works...... he spoke out against those who thought what they did was better than those who they looked down upon. The Pharisee is not the one trying to earn their way to heaven....... they are just misled, they just need to understand heaven is already theirs....... the Pharisee is he/her who looks down upon others and judges the fault in another.
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Old 11-08-2015, 09:05 AM
 
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it's complicated, but I get it.

The tactic of pointing at porn and 'religious" is marketing. Only a fool doesn't know that. Be that as it may, porn is an epidemic that hits everybody. I don't understand the issue myself because if women are not mistreated I don't care. also, With resistance to religious rules only because they are religious more people will break those more irrational ones more often. It will actually help the religion grow up IMO that is.. Normal people can act normal. Non-normal (whatever that is) people can only act irrationally.

we don't have too.
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Old 11-08-2015, 09:37 AM
 
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There ARE thousands who believe they have been abducted by Aliens. That doesn't make me believe in Aliens. I've never seen one nor been bothered by one. Of course I can't prove Aliens are not real. Nor can those who believe they are real prove it or make me believe in them.

Can you tell me how to get, how to get to Sesame Street? I watch that a lot these days. It is much more exciting than porn.
But aliens live in the hearts of those who believe in them and call upon them for guidance. I know that when believers in aliens commune with them spiritually they have this warm glow in their inner being and that is proof enough for them that they exist. Ask one sometime and he will say, "I know aliens are real because they live in my heart."
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