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Jesus was loving towards the prostitute. Was He loving towards the act of prostitution?
Jesus is remembered for His love, forgiveness, and rebuke of the OT LAW, given from God's mouth according to the OT writer, that adulterers be killed. All those death by stoning laws were crap anyway, and rarely enforced. That's what you can learn if you REALLY study Scripture instead of swallowing what your handlers propagandize to you.
According to Matthew Flannagan in article JAP346 of the Christian Research Institute killing people for their "abominations" is clearly lacking in numerous places in Scripture:
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"Gordon Wenham observes that “according to Deut xix19 false witnesses were punished with the punishment the accused would have suffered if substantiated,” that is, the penalty for falsely accusing a woman of adultery was not execution, but an unspecified punishment alongside a monetary fine. Wenham concludes that a monetary substitution must have been envisaged in this text if it was to be read as coherent and consistent.
Only a few chapters later Deuteronomy 24:1–5 deals with a case where a woman was divorced for committing adultery; the woman was clearly not executed, as she married another man in verse 2. This makes sense if the capital sanctions for adultery functioned as admonitory devices and in practice a ransom was made as a substitute, but it does not make sense if the woman was required to be executed.
In 1 Kings, a person had committed a capital crime and the sentence was announced as “a life for a life”; however, the immediate context shows what this sentence, in fact, was: “It will be your life for his life or you must weigh out a talent of silver” (1 Kings 20:39). Old Testament scholar Joe Sprinkle notes that “‘life for life,’ in the sense of capital punishment, has an explicit alternative of monetary substitution.”
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Jesus' rebuke of your brother Pharisees was intended to point out how stupid and immoral their Scripture reading truly was. If life had been so harsh few people would have survived. The Pharisees, like you, saw everything in black and white. But there are plenty of instances where the LAW was not gospel.
Given that Leviticus is one of your favorite books, you should understand that few of those horrible spiritual disfiguring sins you like to point out were ever imposed. They were admonitory devices to guide society---even the sexual ones. If God imposed those laws willy-nilly on everyone, you would long ago have been dead for the sexual thoughts running constantly through your head (hence Jesus proclaiming your very thoughts make you exactly the same as those you enjoy condemning).
People were not routinely murdered for sexual offenses---never. It was only those in whose hearts murder dwelt near the surface who sought to do so with God's justification. Your comments point out that 2500 years after the fact, people with murder in their heart still seek justification from God for imposing harsh penalties when it simply wasn't the case.
Don't worry so much about the sins of others. It's your own that have you with one foot in your spiritual grave.
If you don't love, or if you will "hate" jumping off the high dive platform you avoid it.
Thank you, you've made my point. You're using the word in a different way, if you are simply speaking of likes and dislikes. Love, biblically speaking, is being kind, gentle, patient, etc. Jeff was attempting to weaken the word "love" which we should have for people, by equating it with a matter of taste or preference for a thing, so that he can feel justified in not showing love towards homosexuals because he doesn't like homosexuality.
Jesus was loving towards the prostitute. Was He loving towards the act of prostitution?
Duck and dodge. Are you not able to take responsibility for what you post? Your posts about the LGBTQ are hurtful and unloving. Why are you complaining about unloving things said to you when you've made hundreds of rude posts about the LGBTQ community?
Jesus is remembered for His love, forgiveness, and rebuke of the OT LAW, given from God's mouth according to the OT writer, that adulterers be killed. All those death by stoning laws were crap anyway, and rarely enforced. That's what you can learn if you REALLY study Scripture instead of swallowing what your handlers propagandize to you.
You continue to make up distortions about Christ. Christ never rebuked OT law. He showed respect for its purpose as seen here:
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
The verses that you mention are only Christ teaching the crowd that obedience isn't what is important. It is the intent of the heart that God judges, not the physical act of obeying. That's why He was against the Pharisees. They were a very public example of obedience but their hearts were sinful.
"The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. 4 “They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5 “But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6 “They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men."
Matthew 23:1-6
You love to just brand anyone you don't like as a Pharisee and therefore can be rejected just like Christ rejected them. That is so messed up. Unless you can see into someone's heart like Christ could, you have no right to make up such judgements.
Duck and dodge. Are you not able to take responsibility for what you post? Your posts about the LGBTQ are hurtful and unloving. Why are you complaining about unloving things said to you when you've made hundreds of rude posts about the LGBTQ community?
Have I ever called you out specifically by name and made direct insulting comments about DewDropInn? Not that I recall, but you and your friends do it every day to me.
I make general statements about my beliefs on homosexuality. I believe it is sin. I'm not going to be loving towards sin. Sorry if you take that personally. Why do you insist that I go back on my beliefs?
Is it possible for Christ to love the prostitute while hating the act of prostitution? Yes or No.
I don't think Christ (I assume you mean Jesus, and I know you believe Jesus is God, so I'm going with Christ = God) has an emotion of hate for anything. But, perhaps what you are really asking is does God have a desire that people not partake in activities that bring harm to themselves or others? I would think that would be true of a God who is love, yes.
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"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."
Fulfilling the law means fulfilling its purpose which was to produce a human consciousness within our species who is capable of self-control of our baser urges out of agape love, NOT fear. Jesus did that for our entire species.
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The verses that you mention are only Christ teaching the crowd that obedience isn't what is important. It is the intent of the heart that God judges, not the physical act of obeying. That's why He was against the Pharisees. They were a very public example of obedience but their hearts were sinful.
"The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them. 4 “They tie up heavy burdens and lay them on men’s shoulders, but they themselves are unwilling to move them with so much as a finger. 5 “But they do all their deeds to be noticed by men; for they broaden their phylacteries and lengthen the tassels of their garments. 6 “They love the place of honor at banquets and the chief seats in the synagogues, 7 and respectful greetings in the market places, and being called Rabbi by men."
Matthew 23:1-6
You love to just brand anyone you don't like as a Pharisee and therefore can be rejected just like Christ rejected them. That is so messed up. Unless you can see into someone's heart like Christ could, you have no right to make up such judgments.
How you can know this and hold the views you do and still justify mistreating those you think are sinners is beyond me. Are you claiming the judgment of God or Jesus????
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