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Because God is unseen. I have faith in what has been visibly created was created by the Unseen (God).
I also have faith that what is unseen can manifest to seen by God.
But, how is the creation evidence? This seems to be a circular argument. Because you believe that God created the universe, you use this as evidence for your faith that God created the universe.
But, how is the creation evidence? This seems to be a circular argument. Because you believe that God created the universe, you use this as evidence for your faith that God created the universe.
I believe because His spirit exists within me. I believe because He speaks to me through His Word in the Bible, through His creation and other outlets inspired by His spirit.
How does one explain receiving the ultimate Gift to others who have no understanding. How would one who can hear, explain a beautiful symphony to one who has been deaf from birth.
4,000 years of wrong ideas is no recommendation. The issue IS justice and whether reaping what we sow is justice and going beyond that to infinite punishment for finite faults becomes INjustice.
I believe because His spirit exists within me. I believe because He speaks to me through His Word in the Bible, through His creation and other outlets inspired by His spirit.
How does one explain receiving the ultimate Gift to others who have no understanding. How would one who can hear, explain a beautiful symphony to one who has been deaf from birth.
I'm sure you are aware of the testimonies from other religions that sound exactly as yours. How would an objective third party distinguish what you believe from those of other religions?
4,000 years of wrong ideas is no recommendation. The issue IS justice and whether reaping what we sow is justice and going beyond that to infinite punishment for finite faults becomes INjustice.
But making ppl Suffer forever like they tried with me isn't a finite fault, it's an unforgivable sin, and you reap what you sow. When it happens to y'all....
The letters of the New Testament were written down by men inspired by the Spirit of God under God's New Covenant with man. Are you actually suggesting these men lied? If so, then why are you quoting me in written scripture?
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Eternal torment is nowhere to be found within inspiration.
[It] can only be found in the twisted thoughts of men.
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Your theory is nowhere to be found in the Biblical scriptures. Which I accept as the Word of God.
Trust in the Lord and not your own understanding.
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It’s not a reference to that which is Eternal (aidios), having no beginning or end. The words endless torment (adialeipton timorion) or eternal imprisonment (aidios eirgmos) and eternal punishment (aidios kalasin) do not appear anywhere in the Greek New Testament, at least not in conjunction. Therefore, whoever says that there is an eternal (aidios) time set for punishment (kalasin) beyond this life is sadly mistaken. It's a limited duration of aionion (age-during, or abiding which is the word used) kalasin (punishment - chastisement or correction) which is in view; but the day and hour that it begins and ends is unpredictable. If it were eternal, then the word Aidios would have been used. But not even Jesus used the word for eternal in conjunction with punishment.
I call that problematic - as I live and breath inspiration. Furthermore, there's no empirical study that's ever been completed by anyone, which illustrates that punitive damages under man’s thoughts of justice have any constructive function, other than that of being excessive in nature. Punishment for the sake of punishment itself, serves no purpose.
I am still waiting, after five pages for you to respond to this theory you believe I hold.
I am sort of tired of *****-footing around with people who continually refuse to open their
eyes of understanding. Instead, they want to be everyone's teacher, "believe this, don't do that."
Thinking they are wise, they quote verses like this: "Trust in the Lord and not your own understanding."
And please, do not give me another Greek scholars perspective - who believes as you do. Be creative.
I believe because His spirit exists within me. I believe because He speaks to me through His Word in the Bible, through His creation and other outlets inspired by His spirit.
How does one explain receiving the ultimate Gift to others who have no understanding. How would one who can hear, explain a beautiful symphony to one who has been deaf from birth.
You may be surprised, sign and body language conveys much, especially when your other senses are/have increased.
But I suppose that you cannot fathom what that means, or feel the vibrations beyond merely hearing the sounds?
Music flows through your body - not just through your brain and ears.
I am still waiting, after five pages for you to respond to this theory you believe I hold.
I am sort of tired of *****-footing around with people who continually refuse to open their
eyes of understanding. Instead, they want to be everyone's teacher, "believe this, don't do that."
Thinking they are wise, they quote verses like this: "Trust in the Lord and not your own understanding."
And please, do not give me another Greek scholars perspective - who believes as you do. Be creative.
Punishment for the sake of punishment itself serves no purpose... hes right.. And much of their reasons for it are either wrong or broken... And ppl are certainly free to love God if they want.... freewill... they can believe as they do, what's wrong with that?
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