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Old 07-14-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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The reason Daniel isn't considered a prophet is because he's not...Christians come along and all of a sudden want to claim it to be prophecy because without it being prophecy their book of Revelation fails because they have nothing else that they can connect it to...Daniel had to do with immediate things, not several thousand years into the future...Mental gynastics is how you get them to sync...
If Daniel wasn't a prophet then why did Jesus call him a prophet?

Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), [NASB]
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:22 PM
 
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Yea...No...Okay...I can read and understand the Hebrew Scriptures, can you?...



Jesus brought a new covenant= LOVE. One must keep up with the times. What Jesus taught counts now.
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Old 07-14-2016, 12:44 PM
 
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The reason Daniel isn't considered a prophet is because he's not...Christians come along and all of a sudden want to claim it to be prophecy because without it being prophecy their book of Revelation fails because they have nothing else that they can connect it to...Daniel had to do with immediate things, not several thousand years into the future...Mental gynastics is how you get them to sync...

If the Book of Daniel only refers to things which were to take place relatively soon (which is still prophecy) then why does Daniel 7:9-14 speak of Daniel's vision concerning the everlasting kingdom which will never pass away and which is to be given to the Son of Man? This hasn't happened yet. This will take place when Jesus returns. It is still future, and therefore thousands of years after Daniel's time.
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Old 07-14-2016, 03:09 PM
 
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Why do you have such trouble understanding that prophecy is validated after-the-fact, NOT prospectively by the expectations and interpretations of the Jews. That would be Divination which is prohibited. The facts speak for themselves and they validate some of Daniel as prophecy.
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Daniel is not prophecy...
That is determined by the validity of the content of his dreams found in history (properly interpreted), NOT your opinion or the beliefs and expectations of the Jews.
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:50 AM
 
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That is determined by the validity of the content of his dreams found in history (properly interpreted), NOT your opinion or the beliefs and expectations of the Jews.
Daniel is not a prophecy...
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:52 AM
 
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If the Book of Daniel only refers to things which were to take place relatively soon (which is still prophecy) then why does Daniel 7:9-14 speak of Daniel's vision concerning the everlasting kingdom which will never pass away and which is to be given to the Son of Man? This hasn't happened yet. This will take place when Jesus returns. It is still future, and therefore thousands of years after Daniel's time.
Where does it say that Mashiach HaMelek goes away and then returns?...
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:53 AM
 
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Jesus brought a new covenant= LOVE. One must keep up with the times. What Jesus taught counts now.
Where in the Scriptures is this New Covenant spoken of?...
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:53 AM
 
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Jesus brought a new covenant= LOVE. One must keep up with the times. What Jesus taught counts now.

Jesus brought a new covenant for Ephraim and Judah.


That's all.
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:54 AM
 
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If Daniel wasn't a prophet then why did Jesus call him a prophet?

Matthew 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), [NASB]
Find that in Daniel...
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Old 07-15-2016, 01:16 AM
 
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Where in the Scriptures is this New Covenant spoken of?...
I can't help but know that Richard knows about the scriptures of a new covenant, but there is no covenant for gentiles.


The problem being is that people claim there is a covenant for gentiles and Jews, and this can be argued.


There is a new covenant for Ephraim and Judah, not gentiles and Judah, but for Ephraim and Judah and Ephraim is HE WHO RETURNS.


There is no covenant for gentiles, there is only a covenant for the lost gentiles of the lost ten tribes called Israel, called,'' Ephraim.''


Just because you are a gentile who believes in God doesn't make you a gentile of Ephraim. A Gentile of Ephraim MUST RETURN and be redeemed back into Israel or they are not Israel, they are not Ephraim, and they are not Judah.


Ephraim is a gentile who remembers the ways of God and he comes repenting because he was ever involved in the worship of idols or other Gods and what makes Ephraim, Ephraim, is that he comes back to the ordained worship system of God and there is no other way that Ephraim and Judah can become one UNLESS Ephraim comes back repenting and becomes one with Judah.


Jesus brought a new covenant for Ephraim and Judah, and Ephraim MUST return or he simply is not Ephraim and this is why we see a door closing in Revelation because those 7000 of Ephraim die in the Earthquake.


There will be no more Ephraim, the door is closed if you are still Ephraim because becoming Ephraim is that you have wed Judah.


You either become one with Judah or you do not.


No one else can claim the promise of Ephraim, Unless they have been betrothed to a Jew of Judah, Jesus brought the promised betrothal to the lost gentiles of Ephraim, but if they do not return and keep the same Holy days as Jews, then Jews and gentiles cannot become one and there is no Ephraim.


There shall be no more two kingdoms, but one.


The evil kingdom will die.
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