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This is not a very helpful comment because all of it is meaningless without context and you didn't give any. For example, what are you responding to? OP or the previous post? What debate are you talking about? What is the phrase you are referring to? If you are posting with any intention to communicate with other people you have to do better than this. We are practically left with the impression that your post should begin with the words "note to self."
Re-read the OP's initial message. Everything stated here is directly in response to that .
ET. UR.. round and round we go. same posters.. different year.
Re-read the OP's initial message. Everything stated here is directly in response to that .
That may be but I still don't get most of your post.
For example, what phrase are you commenting on? I still haven't a clue on that one.
I would guess "Depart from me" but your comment remains unclear what you are trying to say about it, so maybe the guess is wrong.
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Originally Posted by Mikelee81
Unless you interpret "weeping and gnashing of teeth" as something positive.
So with this one you seem to be following the link I made to Matthew 13 in the second post. This didn't help anyone trying confirm that your post was a response to the OP which doesn't mention any such thing.
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Originally Posted by Mikelee81
The same debates continue on this forum. Repeating the same thing for years now.
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Oh well the same posters saying the same things. The only one that believes it is themselves. ciao
So I gather the universalists have been strong on this forum for a while.
I pretty much take a middle ground on this forum. I don't agree with universalism or annihilationism which is popular here, but I do agree with many of the complaints that the portrayal of God by many xtians look more like an evil demon than the God of love spoken of by Jesus and Paul. So I am in the position to explain how the heaven and hell or ET position can be consistent with a God of love.
For example, I think a key question is who/what is the salvation your religion is preaching supposed to be saving us from?
People don't know where these people are sent simply because they don't know Jesus, they don't know the temple and if you don't know the temple, you don't know the word of God, you don't know Jesus.
Those people disrespected the law and he calls them out for it, they were committing iniquities against the law and they don't even know where they are going because they still don't know Jesus because they don't know themselves.
You are a Temple and there is a whole book about what happens inside your temple and who it is to come to sit in your temple, but if the person knows nothing of the comings and goings of the Temple, he doesn't know that the Temple is only designed to shadow exactly what the afterlife is about, who goes where and for what reason and there is an outer court of weeping and gnashing of one's teeth because they were kicked out to the court having been found as a gentile and thus they deserve the court of darkness.
Jesus is the word of God, the law is a wedding contract to his bride and his bride is a Temple that knows herself, she knows the comings and goings of her own master and what she should be doing and saying on exact days because she knows how to watch the comings and goings and what is given on these appointed visitation days that the bridegroom come to his bride.
Just as Jesus says,'' You can decide not to keep the laws of Moses, you really can, and not only this, you can teach others how to disrespect the Torah and you can still be saved but you will be found as one who stands outside a city looking through a glass that you cannot cross and you will see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob speaking with Paul and David and Samuel while you stand in the court of darkness, you will see the lights of the true temples.
12"This is the law of the house: its entire area on the top of the mountain all around shall be most holy. Behold, this is the law of the house.…
From now on there shall be blood, blood in your houses, and the seas shall turn red with blood and everyone will have their fill of drinking blood saying,'' Please Lord, take this blood from me.''
Let the brides have they cup.
Everyone who knows the true God , knows this is the reality of what he set before men--Deut 30:19--Life or death---- nothing more nothing less--both are everlasting. Much symbolism spoken about these things in the NT.
Anyone teaching a literal place of eternal torment is teaching a sadist God, because they do not know the true God, their dogmas have twisted truth into oblivion, and all who listen to them are being mislead away from the true God and cannot accomplish this super ultra important daily heart activity--John 4:22-24.
God is love--merciful-- not a sadist.
No Jesus wasn't speaking to keepers of the mosaic law--it was abolished, Jesus brought a new covenant--Love. Keepers of the mosaic law--reject Jesus, never ever would do powerful works in his name. It was supposed Christians he was speaking to.
This is like a student coming across the first thing in his science text which he does not understand and throwing the book down and saying science is just a bunch of nonsense.
Now I quite agree with you that contradiction you point out does not add up. But jumping to the conclusion that the Bible is what you say is your own emotional subjective reaction and does not rationally follow. Another perfectly reasonable conclusion is simply that this points to an error in understanding the text. This doctrine of substitutionary atonement is a peculiarly of western Christianity coming out of the dark ages. It is a childishly literal treatment of only ONE of the metaphors used to describe the atonement so it is a product of a rather odd sort of cherry picking which the Eastern Orthodox and early Christianity never had.
I've actually studied this doctrine a lot. IMO, it is a false doctrine. My point is that most Christians believe it and accept it by continuing to worship despite it.
I'm an atheist now because there are numerous other bible absurdities that are doctrinal.
No, both your replies did not ask the question "get out?" in reference to getting out of HELL (Lk.16).
The subject was LK 16 & you finally admitted those in Lk 16 get out of "hell" in Revelation.
Are you trying to deny that now?
No, I stick to what I said in all of my posts. They are all in sync, and nothing has changed. I am sorry you are having a hard time with it. I have not used the word "hell" so you might as well quit trying to insert it into my mouth. I am not going play childish UR word games with you.
Everyone who knows the true God , knows this is the reality of what he set before men--Deut 30:19--Life or death---- nothing more nothing less--both are everlasting. Much symbolism spoken about these things in the NT.
Anyone teaching a literal place of eternal torment is teaching a sadist God, because they do not know the true God, their dogmas have twisted truth into oblivion, and all who listen to them are being mislead away from the true God and cannot accomplish this super ultra important daily heart activity--John 4:22-24.
God is love--merciful-- not a sadist.
No Jesus wasn't speaking to keepers of the mosaic law--it was abolished, Jesus brought a new covenant--Love. Keepers of the mosaic law--reject Jesus, never ever would do powerful works in his name. It was supposed Christians he was speaking to.
Jesus IS that law, you don't know the law, you simply do not know Jesus. People know of Jesus through a Passover lamb on Pesach but many reject the Pesach and everything it teaches. Jesus was the unleavened bread, the firstfruits or many firstfruits, he was the Shavuot and will be the Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur and the feast of Tabernacles and Shemini Atzereth.
All these days and their traditions teach of Jesus and this is how you know Jesus because you are the Temple and you either know yourself or you do not, and if you do not know the Temple, how then could you know the spirit inside that Temple?
Those law breakers were not just breaking the law, they were disrespecting the law.
Anyone who doesn't keep the law and teaches others not to keep the laws will be the least in the kingdom of heaven.....These are not my words and if you find something to contradict Jesus, go ahead.
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