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ok so how did eve talk to the serpent exactly unless Adam took his out to play with it ... no mystic answers mystic.. she talked to an object and entity who deceived her as for the curse was to three entities .. it wasn't her own brain. so unless Adam could take his out to play with it . because there is three entities there at the cursing.. . so you are wrong.
Clearly, you are not familiar with metaphor and figurative speech. Too bad. Given the complete ignorance of our newly created progenitors, how on earth would you convey anything to them? They certainly had no idea they had a brain or anything else.
The fallen angel, who got jealous and wanted worship, spoke through the serpent. Misleading Eve, Adam stood up for Eve. He came to be called- satan and devil= opposer of God, Slanderer of God. That lie caused all the suffering ever, and death, and disease, etc, like a domino effect. No the bible did not look on him in a good light. If it said good things it was meaning prior to the events in Eden that caused the fall from Gods grace. That being was given dominion over the Garden( he must have been very trusted and powerful)
At the war in heaven, Michael battles satan and his angels and kicked them out of heaven forever--the bruising of satans head--Foretold in Genesis that Jesus would do that--He did. Michael is Jesus. He is the rider of the white horse at Rev 6.( 1914)
Where in the world do you get this idea of a fallen angel?...
The fallen angel, who got jealous and wanted worship, spoke through the serpent. Misleading Eve, Adam stood up for Eve. He came to be called- satan and devil= opposer of God, Slanderer of God. That lie caused all the suffering ever, and death, and disease, etc, like a domino effect. No the bible did not look on him in a good light. If it said good things it was meaning prior to the events in Eden that caused the fall from Gods grace. That being was given dominion over the Garden( he must have been very trusted and powerful)
At the war in heaven, Michael battles satan and his angels and kicked them out of heaven forever--the bruising of satans head--Foretold in Genesis that Jesus would do that--He did. Michael is Jesus. He is the rider of the white horse at Rev 6.( 1914)
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Where in the world do you get this idea of a fallen angel?...
If the serpent was supposedly the "bad guy" in the Garden of Eden, then why did Moses create a bronze idol in the image of a serpent, and use it as a source of salvation and healing for the Israelites? Why did Jesus compare himself (Son of Man) to that serpent in John 3? Or was he referring to the working class in general being lifted up?
Did the serpent possibly represent the "son of man"? If Adam was the son of God, wouldn't the Son of Man have been an enemy of God? If the serpent was an enemy of that God, is it possible that "God" was not the Most High God that the Bible differentiates from Yahweh? Or maybe Adam's father mistakenly thought of himself as a "god"?
The author of Ezekiel is constantly referred to by the name Son of Man. Does that mean that Ezekiel represented the serpent somehow?
These are such blatant discrepancies. I am trying to sort out what the serpent was. And whether or not the serpent was an enemy, since he is shown so favorably after the Garden of Eden story.
Not so much the Serpent animal in Eden because that animal was merely a tool used by Satan - Revelation 12:9,12.
The Serpent did Not do the talking, but Satan used that animal as a ventriloquist uses his dummy.
So, the ' bad guy ' in Eden ( that old snake in the grass) was Not the animal but Satan just using that animal.
Where in the world do you get this idea of a fallen angel?...
I get the idea from Ezekiel 28:13-19
Please note verse 15 because Satan was perfect until sin was found in him.
After all, as James 1:14 wrote each one is drawn out by his own desire.... (Satan's wrong desire developed into sin)
There was No sin, No imperfection when angelic Satan was created.
Satan turned himself into a Satan and a Devil.
I think people should wonder more about how and why he was the most beautiful creature, how he was connected to Eve and Adam and what made the 3 so beautiful, why was the serpent so beautiful?
As to how Satan was connected is found at Ezekiel 28:14,16 because he was appointed to be the covering cherub in Eden.
Satan was in Eden to oversee and be a safeguard for Adam and Eve.
As to why so beautiful is because Satan was a perfect angelic creation.
As to how Satan was connected is found at Ezekiel 28:14,16 because he was appointed to be the covering cherub in Eden.
Satan was in Eden to oversee and be a safeguard for Adam and Eve.
As to why so beautiful is because Satan was a perfect angelic creation.
You sure that Adam and Eve were not the most beautiful creature?
The most beautiful creature was the covering Cherub who covers but when they fell, they had no more covering and they were naked. We look at the renewed garden in Revelation that has a covering just like the covering Cherub had become the most beautiful creature again. His covering is every precious stone, not unlike the covering of Jerusalem coming down from God.
Another example of a "crafty" person and a "beast of the field" was in the story of David and Goliath. David used smarts and a crafty weapon to defeat Goliath.
Serpents: (1) Jacob. (2) David. (3) Jesus or the Son of Man.
What and where does the enmity come from and take place?
God put an enmity between the seed of Eve and the seed of the serpent, and this isn't about snakes. Who and WHAT is the seed of the serpent and if it's an enmity, it is something real, something literal, an actual seed. What is it exactly?
Then who is the seed of Adam?
We are Adam's 'offspring ' ( descendants ), the ' woman ' of Genesis 3:15 is Not Eve but the ' woman ' of Revelation.
The ' seed ' (Offspring) that bruises Satan's head ( death wound ) is Jesus as Messiah.- Hebrews 2:14 B.
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