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Old 09-02-2016, 11:15 AM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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BUT The word "homosexual" is NOT in the bile...and we are not really sure what the original translation of the word or "act" really was now do we??

And why is that? OH because here are NO ORIGINAL writings...DUH...


But the god of the OT did ENCOURAGE and ORDER the killing of others who were not considered part of Israel...

As doe discrimination and PREJUSDICE, the OT god started that in GENESIS 4:15 with Cain--

But the LORD said to him, "Not so; anyone who kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over." Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him.

From that day forth, CAIN was a target of discrimination because he was "different."

The Old Testament God, The old testament God as if there is a difference between the New Testament God, there is no difference and it is silly to insinuate anything else, unless maybe you are an Atheist, I can see that, but I have actually heard Christians insinuating that the God of the Old Testament is not the God of the New Testament and that is silly.


You can't use the Old Testament to verify a God in the New Testament and then turn around and curse the God of the Old Testament because you would have nullified the God of the New Testament.


Blind people pretending to read are still blind and they can't even see that they are holding the book upside down while people are grinning at them.





God never gave them eyes to see or ears to hear so that they could read and understand the Torah lest they turned and repented.


It is the same with all who read the Old Testament without eyes to see or ears to hear because God will tell you a million times that he never wanted those stupid sacrifices, it was their choice from the beginning, but they were never able to see the mercy that God was teaching everyone from the very beginning.


The law only teaches mercy and love and those who study and love the law know this, and it is why it is said that ALL the law can come down to very simple thing, '' Love.''


If you have kept the law simply by loving your neighbor as you do yourself, and by this you have kept the law then what other thing does the law teach other than love?


From the very beginning when you get married and begin to study and grow and you have a child, your child is going to disrespect you and you are supposed to take your child to the high priest to be stoned in front of the congregation, how many kids disrespected their parents?


ALL OF THEM.


Every child disrespects his parents at one time or another and the law is righteous because a child should never disrespect his parents but since they rejected what Moses had brought down and chose the work of their hands, God gave them what they chose and this was how to raise a righteous child, how to birth a son of God or rear a man of God.


From the very beginning the law teaches pure mercy because the parent is always going to forgive their child and because they gave their self a pass, they are going to give others a pass and it is teaching pure love, and pure mercy to a stubborn people who worshipped the work of their own hands and so God gave it over to them to see if they could even raise one, and they had thousands of years and there was not one until Jesus came.
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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Exactly.
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Old 09-02-2016, 11:38 AM
 
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Moses brought down the law of freedom and they rejected it. Moses was about to wed them to God and they would have consummated that marriage and they would have given birth from their own bodies to be left standing there as sons of the living God.


But Moses came down and found them committing adultery and so when he went back to the mountain, he came down with something different, he came down with the design of the ark and with the patter of a Temple that represented a virgin. He ordained priests and had them dress up as sperm coming up to a virgin once a year trying to conceive a child of God and we know that they never ever accomplished this because that veil was never rent in two in order to show a consummation that a child of God had been conceived.{LET THEM HAVE WHAT THEY CHOSE, THEY WILL HAVE SONS OF GOD BY THEIR OWN HANDS? LET THEM TRY}


The ark of the covenant is a uterus and all those priests were as sperm who came up to a veil with no door and why have a room that there is no door?


WHY? Why on earth build a room that has no door, no entrance?


Because their is a veil inside a virgin and there is a place with no door and how would the sperm get past this veil to conceive a child of God unless that veil was rent in two as a consummation?


The priests came dressed in their seed and they even looked like sperm as hilarious as this sounds, God has a sense of humor. Those priests wiggled and squirmed underneath the veil like a worm but that Virgin that is the Temple never became pregnant, they had bells made of pomegranites which has more seed than any fruit and yet they never could get that virgin pregnant and it is too wonderful to know the way of a virgin and a young man, as a fish that cuts it's way through the waters of an eagle that makes it's way through the air, or a serpent upon a rock, it's ways are too wonderful for me to know.


But we saw a virgin being made a woman when we saw that veil rent in two and not only this, the water and the blood that MUST be a witness to a consummation was seen just as it is when a sheet is brought out of a tent saying,'' See the blood, see the water?''


A consummation took place and a seed was planted in the Earth and the Earth literally became pregnant and gave forth her first born son of many sons to follow, many sons having been planted into the earth will spring forth like firstfruits of God.
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Old 09-02-2016, 12:12 PM
 
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I'm a Pagan.

You are reading words written by a Pagan --- a loud n' proud Pagan!



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And I'm a heathen!
And we loves yas just the way yas is.
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Old 09-02-2016, 12:59 PM
 
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Having used 2 nails does not mean they could not be above his head. It could be one hand above the other or 2 nails to secure both hands one on top of another. No indication there was a "cross" bar at all.
Every picture I've seen from any Watchtower literature indicates 1 nail through both hands.

But technically, you're right. Having said that, it's a non-sequitur. The JW's have many many more theological issues than the format of the execution device used.
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Old 09-02-2016, 01:01 PM
 
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No, but it was easy enough for me to know which group he was referring to. I know of only one Christian group that believes Jesus was nailed to a stake. Perhaps you know of others.
I realize that. Even so, he never called any group a cult. You're jumping to conclusions and putting words in his mouth.
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Old 09-02-2016, 01:06 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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The Old Testament God, The old testament God as if there is a difference between the New Testament God, there is no difference and it is silly to insinuate anything else, unless maybe you are an Atheist, I can see that, but I have actually heard Christians insinuating that the God of the Old Testament is not the God of the New Testament and that is silly.

You can't use the Old Testament to verify a God in the New Testament and then turn around and curse the God of the Old Testament because you would have nullified the God of the New Testament.
If anyone were using the "Old Testament God" to verify what Jesus taught, you would have a point, but there is not even such a thing as "Old Testament God." What there is is a variety of perceptions ABOUT God presented in the Old Testament, most of which are pretty barbaric.
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Old 09-02-2016, 01:22 PM
 
Location: Red River Texas
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If anyone were using the "Old Testament God" to verify what Jesus taught, you would have a point, but there is not even such a thing as "Old Testament God." What there is is a variety of perceptions ABOUT God presented in the Old Testament, most of which are pretty barbaric.
And now man has surpassed huh?


Now man looks at God as if he is some kind of barbarian even though man has the propensity of a wild beast that would kill everyone and here you are saying God is barbaric, people will look at God like some criminal and not give a second thought to 50 millions children being killed in abortion and while all these so called,'' Arrived civil people,'' are glorifying themselves at having surpassed God, they pride themselves in giving all men the right to kill 50 million children in one nation alone.


But God is barbaric.
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Old 09-02-2016, 02:35 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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And now man has surpassed huh?


Now man looks at God as if he is some kind of barbarian even though man has the propensity of a wild beast that would kill everyone and here you are saying God is barbaric, people will look at God like some criminal and not give a second thought to 50 millions children being killed in abortion and while all these so called,'' Arrived civil people,'' are glorifying themselves at having surpassed God, they pride themselves in giving all men the right to kill 50 million children in one nation alone.


But God is barbaric.
No, Hannibal, it is not God who is barbaric, but various perceptions ABOUT God presented in the Old Testament. Reread what I said.
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Old 09-02-2016, 05:23 PM
 
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No, Hannibal, it is not God who is barbaric, but various perceptions ABOUT God presented in the Old Testament. Reread what I said.
They seem to have great difficulty acknowledging that it is the OT DESCRIPTIONS of God that are barbaric, ignorant and primitive. I suspect it is because they believe those descriptions are not to be questioned. The descriptions and God are one and the same to them. Of course, that is why they are accused of worshiping the bible.
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