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Old 06-30-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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You have nothing but the now. Not only that Salvation from hell is not in the scriptures.
It's not? Maybe you should try actually reading the Scriptures, rather than parroting man's twisted opinions about it.

Mark 9:43-48 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Matthew 25:41-46 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Revelation 20:10-15 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the book s were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Just look at one of the most clear and compelling parables our Lord gave on this topic, it's not without a reason these parables and warnings are in the Bible. It is a place of conscious torment, from which there is no passing to heaven, no possible escape. You can shut your eyes and close your ears, but the warnings are serious enough for those that do not have their sins forgiven by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:19-31 There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Jude 1:7-13 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves. Woe unto them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots; Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
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Old 06-30-2017, 08:44 AM
 
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The fire goes out when it has served its purpose.
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:02 AM
 
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It is amusing that those who accept man has free will, ignore it when it is convenient to do so. If man has free will and refuses to acknowledge Jesus as their Savior, whose fault is it?
There is no fault in that situation.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:10 AM
 
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You are half right.

The Bible says God inspired what the men who wrote the Bible wrote. I will continue putting my faith in what an omniscient God says over what errant men say with no evidence.

You are right that it was written for men(mankind).
No,men WROTE that they wanted GOD to say..there is zero evidence that God directed any of the writing. For all the church knows it was that imaginary Satan dude who inspired the writers..it cannot be proven otherwise..

All anyone knows for sure is Salvation is beyond our control and that no one knows with certainty what and how it may be attained.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:12 AM
 
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No,men WROTE that they wanted GOD to say..there is zero evidence that God directed any of the writing. For all the church knows it was that imaginary Satan dude who inspired the writers..it cannot be proven otherwise..
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:20 AM
 
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No,men WROTE that they wanted GOD to say..there is zero evidence that God directed any of the writing. For all the church knows it was that imaginary Satan dude who inspired the writers..it cannot be proven otherwise..

All anyone knows for sure is Salvation is beyond our control and that no one knows with certainty what and how it may be attained.
Speculation/opinion.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:21 AM
 
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You are half right.

The Bible says God inspired what the men who wrote the Bible wrote. I will continue putting my faith in what an omniscient God says over what errant men say with no evidence.

You are right that it was written for men(mankind).
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:23 AM
 
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Speculation/opinion.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:24 AM
 
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Speculation/opinion.
Exactly the point ... It is speculation/opinion that the bible represents God without err. You can't prove it was not written by "Satan" any more than you can prove it was written by God. I'd say the case for "Satan" might be easier to make.
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Old 06-30-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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Which one comes closest to Jesus' words?
Neither. John's words translate to "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life" Nothing taken away, and no threats added.
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