Not many talk about this verse John 8:15 (sinners, translate, moral)
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Perhaps I'm just missing the point of your original post.
You seemed to be suggesting that judgment is bad.
And that "bible thumpers" do it, and that Jesus said not to.
Did I miss that point? Was it a different point?
Well, i can see why it would seem that was the point since Jesus said, I judge no man! I
missed that one!
BUT, in the deep recesses of my mind !!!! lol...the actual point for me was that God doesn't judge and is not
casting anyone into some ((((hell))))...since Jesus does what the Father wills.
I was not thinking about us judging or not judging per se...i just thought for those that pursue
this 'fear teaching of hell and damnation' if you don't believe their way...here...here is Jesus saying he doesn't judge...and
obviously I 'perverted' it by (and stating) it was taken out of context.
I'm SO bad, dontchakno.I was wrong, i was terrible to try to present Jesus as unjudging of us.
Well, i can see why it would seem that was the point since Jesus said, I judge no man! I
missed that one!
BUT, in the deep recesses of my mind !!!! lol...the actual point for me was that God doesn't judge and is not
casting anyone into some ((((hell))))...since Jesus does what the Father wills.
I was not thinking about us judging or not judging per se...i just thought for those that pursue
this 'fear teaching of hell and damnation' if you don't believe their way...here...here is Jesus saying he doesn't judge...and
obviously I 'perverted' it by (and stating) it was taken out of context.
I'm SO bad, dontchakno.I was wrong, i was terrible to try to present Jesus as unjudging of us.
OK...gotcha. I see what you were saying.
What do you do with John 3:18? Those that don't believe are condemned already....do you believe John was right in 8:15 but he missed it in 3:18?
With the "thumpers" thrown in for good measure, of course, as you can't separate one from the other. Peace
Thumpers thump, yes, and it is reprehensible, but none of us knows the pressures that frive them or what could possibly cure. All we can really do is let them know the harm they do and hope love will show a way through the defensiveness.
What do you do with John 3:18? Those that don't believe are condemned already....do you believe John was right in 8:15 but he missed it in 3:18?
The condemned already are NOT condemnred of God. If people were under the condemnation OF GOD, it would cause those who are under that condemnation to do the exact opposite of what God's goodness is purposed to do. It's the goodness of God that causes us to turn to him. Romans 2:4. Love does not bargain like the fundy god does, you believe in me and love me and i will lift the condemnation i have you held over a barrel with until you repent.
The condemned already are NOT condemnred of God. If people were under the condemnation OF GOD, it would cause those who are under that condemnation to do the exact opposite of what God's goodness is purposed to do. It's the goodness of God that causes us to turn to him. Romans 2:4. Love does not bargain like the fundy god does, you believe in me and love me and i will lift the condemnation i have you held over a barrel with until you repent.
What YOU are missing in this passage is that the word translated as "condemned" is a translation bias by those who would seek fear as a means of control. Even Strong's, (which is not the best Bible dictionary) says the word means: Short Definition: I judge, decide, think good
Definition: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good.
Look it up. "Judgement" only becomes "condemnation" in the minds of those who seek control through fear. Judgement in this case simply means that thosae who have not found the better Way will feel the consequences of their actions.
What YOU are missing in this passage is that the word translated as "condemned" is a translation bias by those who would seek fear as a means of control. Even Strong's, (which is not the best Bible dictionary) says the word means: Short Definition: I judge, decide, think good
Definition: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good.
Look it up. "Judgement" only becomes "condemnation" in the minds of those who seek control through fear. Judgement in this case simply means that thosae who have not found the better Way will feel the consequences of their actions.
The word is "krino". It means to judge, or to be judged. In the context of John 3:18 it means to be judged. So those that don't believe are judged already. So, while the OP is saying Jesus doesn't judge, we see the same book contain a verse stating that those that don't believe in Jesus is judged already.
You can't have it both ways. Why believe John 8:15 but not John 3:18? It's crazy that one will try to argue from Scripture when it pleases them, but they will write off another verse IN THE SAME BOOK when it doesn't.
Yes, I think it's pretty plain in His mind what warrants condemnation....Peace
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
The word is "krino". It means to judge, or to be judged. In the context of John 3:18 it means to be judged. So those that don't believe are judged already. So, while the OP is saying Jesus doesn't judge, we see the same book contain a verse stating that those that don't believe in Jesus is judged already.
You can't have it both ways. Why believe John 8:15 but not John 3:18? It's crazy that one will try to argue from Scripture when it pleases them, but they will write off another verse IN THE SAME BOOK when it doesn't.
So what exactly are you trying to say?
Actually, the verse in the OP says Jesus is not judging anyone at that time. When it comes to our choices it should be clear that those actions have consequences which can only be rectified by atonement, the process of coming to the better Way. THAT is always our choice. I believe OP was thinking of the term in the way that the controllers do: condemnation as opposed to judgement that the normal consequences not be abrogated.
Yes, I think it's pretty plain in His mind what warrants condemnation....Peace
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
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I was wrong, i was terrible to try to present Jesus as unjudging of us.
