Not many talk about this verse John 8:15 (churches, preacher, Christ)
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I don't turn the grace of G-d into lasciviousness (love of mammon/self gain at it's root/lust of the flesh), nor do I deny the only Lord G-d, the G-d revealed in the OT. Nice try. Peace
Actually, the verse in the OP says Jesus is not judging anyone at that time. When it comes to our choices it should be clear that those actions have consequences which can only be rectified by atonement, the process of coming to the better Way. THAT is always our choice. I believe OP was thinking of the term in the way that the controllers do: condemnation as opposed to judgement that the normal consequences not be abrogated.
You haven't addressed John 3:18, and I honestly doubt the OP will, either. I get it. You don't have a clue what to say to it. You aren't prepared for it, because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. Instead of trying to read things INTO the text, why not simply believe what it says?
You haven't addressed John 3:18, and I honestly doubt the OP will, either. I get it. You don't have a clue what to say to it. You aren't prepared for it, because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. Instead of trying to read things INTO the text, why not simply believe what it says?
Because much like bull riding, fence straddling requires great skill and effort to maintain an unnatural and demoralizing position in the face of tremendous opposition (ALL 66 books), and the rewards are basically the same, too. Eventually, you end up gored (soul spotted/rent with holes from the sins of the flesh). Peace
You haven't addressed John 3:18, and I honestly doubt the OP will, either. I get it. You don't have a clue what to say to it. You aren't prepared for it, because it doesn't fit your preconceived notions. Instead of trying to read things INTO the text, why not simply believe what it says?
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What YOU are missing in this passage is that the word translated as "condemned" is a translation bias by those who would seek fear as a means of control. Even Strong's, (which is not the best Bible dictionary) says the word means: Short Definition: I judge, decide, think good
Definition: (a) I judge, whether in a law-court or privately: sometimes with cognate nouns emphasizing the notion of the verb, (b) I decide, I think (it) good.
Look it up. "Judgement" only becomes "condemnation" in the minds of those who seek control through fear. Judgement in this case simply means that thosae who have not found the better Way will feel the consequences of their actions.
looks like neither one of you were paying attention.
I don't turn the grace of G-d into lasciviousness (love of mammon/self gain at it's root/lust of the flesh), nor do I deny the only Lord G-d, the G-d revealed in the OT. Nice try. Peace
I fully understand it yes. You are reading into to your fundamentalists beliefs. If Jesus said he did not come to condemn, do you not think he is in direct opposition to the one he said sent him?. After all he(Jesus) said he only spoke that which the one who sent him told him to say. So where is the condemnation coming from?.
For if our "HEART" condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. That's weird The one who is greater than our hearts knows that it is OUR HEARTS that condemn us, so why are fundies pinning that condemnation on God ?.
I fully understand it yes. You are reading into to your fundamentalists beliefs. If Jesus said he did not come to condemn,
Where did he say that, exactly? He never said he would not condemn. He will certainly condemn sinners.
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do you not think he is in direct opposition to the one he said sent him?. After all he(Jesus) said he only spoke that which the one who sent him told him to say. So where is the condemnation coming from
I can almost see those wheels spinning in your head. It's good for you to ask that question. Yes, Jesus will condemn sinners. God's wrath will be poured out on those that do not have Jesus.
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For if our "HEART" condemn us, God is greater than our heart, and knoweth all things. That's weird The one who is greater than our hearts knows that it is OUR HEARTS that condemn us, so why are fundies pinning that condemnation on God ?.
Chapter and verse, please. I'm not going to let you half-quote and paraphrase, twisting the verse around.
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