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Scripture does not teach the premise of OSAS, it just doesn't.
John 15:4-9; 1 Chronicles 28:9; Luke 8:13; Galatians 5:4; 1 Timothy 1:19; and, 2 Peter 3:17-18.
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Originally Posted by scgraham
You're 100 percent correct; Scripture does not support OSAS. It's a doctrine of men, which has become a doctrine of devils to kill, steal and destroy.
As I stated to Baptistfundie, Scripture warns against self-confidence and the possibility of falling away from faith and people ought to take those verses seriously. At the same time we cling to our God’s promise that he will guard and protect our faith to the end (John 10:28).
There are two warnings throughout the NT for the believer that threatens salvation that must be guarded against:
Self-righteousness
Licentiousness
OSAS (more or less) is in the wrong hands or hearer the fertilizer for self-confidence that leads to one or the other.
As I stated to Baptistfundie, Scripture warns against self-confidence and the possibility of falling away from faith and people ought to take those verses seriously. At the same time we cling to our God’s promise that he will guard and protect our faith to the end (John 10:28).
There are two warnings throughout the NT for the believer that threatens salvation that must be guarded against:
Self-righteousness
Licentiousness
OSAS (more or less) is in the wrong hands or hearer the fertilizer for self-confidence that leads to one or the other.
If a person believes he can fall away and that it's up to him to cling to God, then it's all about HIM, and not God.
Yet, we see in Scripture that we are born again not of our OWN will, and that Jesus has promised to save all that the Father gives him, losing none.
As I stated to Baptistfundie, Scripture warns against self-confidence and the possibility of falling away from faith and people ought to take those verses seriously. At the same time we cling to our God’s promise that he will guard and protect our faith to the end (John 10:28).
There are two warnings throughout the NT for the believer that threatens salvation that must be guarded against:
Self-righteousness
Licentiousness
OSAS (more or less) is in the wrong hands or hearer the fertilizer for self-confidence that leads to one or the other.
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Originally Posted by BaptistFundie
If a person believes he can fall away and that it's up to him to cling to God, then it's all about HIM, and not God.
Yet, we see in Scripture that we are born again not of our OWN will, and that Jesus has promised to save all that the Father gives him, losing none.
The basic conflict here is that you're making this a either \ or when Scripture teaches both as the truth.
Scripture warns against self-confidence and the possibility of falling away from faith and we are told to guard against it
John 15:4-9; 1 Chronicles 28:9; Luke 8:13; Galatians 5:4; 1 Timothy 1:19; and, 2 Peter 3:17-18.
At the same time we cling to our God’s promisethathewill guard and protect our faith to the end
John 10:28
All I am doing is letting Scripture speak for itself as both being the truth, setting aside human reason as the premise for it being one or the other.
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The basic conflict here is that you're making this a either \ or when Scripture teaches both as the truth.
Scripture warns against self-confidence and the possibility of falling away from faith and we are told to guard against it
John 15:4-9; 1 Chronicles 28:9; Luke 8:13; Galatians 5:4; 1 Timothy 1:19; and, 2 Peter 3:17-18.
At the same time we cling to our God’s promisethathewill guard and protect our faith to the end
John 10:28
All I am doing is letting Scripture speak for itself as both being the truth, setting aside human reason as the premise for it being one or the other.
Nowhere does it say that a Christian actually loses his salvation. Yes, it DOES warn against falling away, and it warns us to examine ourselves and make sure we're in the faith. But it clearly says that Jesus won't lose any, and that those that do walk away were never believers in the first place. You're confusing false converts walking away with Christians losing their salvation.
If you believe one can lose his salvation....how is it done?
We are not a robots. God will not save anyone against their will.
You're right. Ephesians 1-2 describes how we are predestined since before the foundations of the world. God doesn't drag anyone kicking and screaming into heaven, but he does regenerate their evil and wicked heart , giving the faith and they believe. After he regenerates the heart, it is their will to be saved.
You're right. Ephesians 1-2 describes how we are predestined since before the foundations of the world. God doesn't drag anyone kicking and screaming into heaven, but he does regenerate their evil and wicked heart , giving the faith and they believe. After he regenerates the heart, it is their will to be saved.
Your teachers TWIST most of Gods word, No one is predestined--God desires all to repent--that means he does not know who will repent. GET NEW TEACHERS BEFORE YOU LOSE.
Some of the NT was written only to the little flock( Luke 12:32) these are the only ones promised heaven-Rev 14:3)-- Things that these would accomplish has been predestined and other things about them.
That's another JW slogan that gets trotted out every decade. It's like Tabby's Star: brighter, dimmer, brighter dimmer LOL
Imagine being the Witness parent of a child that needed a kidney transplant in 1970. Although the Awake! 1949 Dec 22 had described transplants as "wonders of modern surgery", in 1967 God revealed that transplants were wrong in his eyes. The Watchtower 1967 Nov 15 pp.702-704 stated that being now "enlightened by God's word" God's people understood that transplants are against divine principles and cannibalistic. The parents must sincerely have believed they were putting Jehovah first when watching their child die, refusing them the opportunity of possible survival through a transplant. How would that parent feel on reading the Watchtower 1980 Mar 15 p.31 - "There is no Biblical command pointedly forbidding the taking in of other human tissue. It is a matter for personal decision. " The enlightenment of 1967 had proved to be dark, harmful and in need of later correction, a regressive doctrine that resulted in the unnecessary death of members. When a doctrine changes and then reverts back to the original position this is not evidence of light getting brighter, it is evidence of a lack of Holy Spirit directing the Governing Body.
The GB has done a remarkable job. Exposing a non existent trinity that leads all to break Gods #1 commandment daily-- They will not like what Jesus says to them at judgement-Matt 7:22-23-- But as the bible says--they want their ears tickled) with lies like--You are saved or born again.
Are you an ex JW?
No. Just one with a keen eye for blarney. LOL The internet will put an end to the JWs and the crazy Islamists in due course. A cult similar to JWs, the Worldwide Church of God, changed their tune once the founder neared the end of his life. Wonder why? LOL
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