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So when Paul says in that passage, "So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power... Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven," you think the power and glory bestowed on people, and the fact that they will bear the image of "the man of heaven", is so that they can be tormented for eternity. Dark, Finny. Really dark. And it doesn't make any sense.
They are your words, so don't blame me if they don't make sense.
"Did God really say" that the same all who died in Adam are the all who will be made alive in Christ?
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Yep, there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. It is not a promise of universal salvation though, because the righteous will be resurrected for eternal life, while the wicked for judgment.
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Correct. That passage is about the order of resurrection and mirrors Daniel 12:2.
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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By all means, ignore the rest of the passage so you can maintain a belief in the eternal torment of most of humanity :
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So when Paul says in that passage, "So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable. It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power... Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven," you think the power and glory bestowed on people, and the fact that they will bear the image of "the man of heaven", is so that they can be tormented for eternity. Dark, Finny. Really dark. And it doesn't make any sense.
I believe they will experience a great deal of humiliation or distress when the time comes and the truth is revealed.
Yep, there will be a resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked. It is not a promise of universal salvation though, because the righteous will be resurrected for eternal life, while the wicked for judgment.
You have sort of lost it when you have to interpret "all will be made alive in Christ" as meaning eternal torment for some of them. The verse highlights the total and complete redemptive work of Christ relative to the damage of Adam, so that while Adam doomed all men , Christ saves all men.
Im guessing also that when the Bible says that "Christ IS the savior of all men" , it really doesnt mean ALL men somehow. There just has to be a way for us to insist that SOME of the ALL can be sent to hell.
I think a lot of Christians are in the same boat as the workers in the field that labored all day for the same wages as those that only worked a little while. "Its just not fair, we've been here all day" . Only now its " its just not fair. We believed and obeyed, and had to be religious for the rest of our lives, but the others got in also? Just not fair!"
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Fundies NEED to believe that Other People will burn in hell.
It's yet another example of the weakness of their character.
Just a mentality of false doctrine drilled in their head as brainwashed people that are mistaken into believing that the Messiah of Babylon is their Messiah, that lawlessness is their religion. These same people outlawed the commandments of God and the ways of a Jewish Messiah, and since they have abolished the ways of God in his entire worship system, they don't understand what they are reading, and they are like puppets on a string repeating what they have been taught all their lives because they cannot read and think for themselves. People so stuck in a false religion that they will actually claim that Jesus was the Messiah but they wont believe anything Jesus says because their religion is stronger than the words of Jesus, and they admittedly don't believe the word of God. None of them have any business speaking to a person of a different faith, ESPECIALLY when it comes to a hell that they don't know anything about.......................Before a Christian could make an assessment of who is who, they would first have to believe God, and his son, and they don't believe either.
ALL the Christians, ALL the Christians, NONE of them can stand next to the word of God, NO MATTER which one you bring, stand him here before me, and let me quote God and his son, and NONE of them will agree with God, NOT ONE will believe what Jesus says, NONE of them know what hell is, NONE OF THEM know the Temple design to even learn what hell is.
I mean, how is it that the Messiah tells us who the least in the kingdom are, and ALL the Christians disagree?
How is it that Jesus tells us who the greatest in the kingdom will be where NONE of the Christians will agree?
If a Christian can't believe Jesus and what he says of the afterlife, why should anyone pay attention or care what a Christian says?
There seems to be a feeling that if they don't, Christians got rooked somehow.
There's a parable about that--the one where the people who worked one hour get paid the same as the ones who worked a full day, and the full-dayers whine about it.
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