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So if belief in Jesus is the requirement to be saved and the unredeemed believe, is then not their belief in Jesus of the same as those who right now believe? And if one believes in Jesus how can that one be called unredeemed?
It is to put faith in Jesus AND repent or turn away from your sin. Demons believe Jesus is God and are not saved.
You cannot have faith and a relationship with Jesus if you treat Him differently than what He is. Example. you and I meet to go out to dinner. I start treating you like a cat by giving you cat food and squirting you with water when you sat on furniture. Now how do you think our relationship would be?
It is to put faith in Jesus AND repent or turn away from your sin. Demons believe Jesus is God and are not saved.
You cannot have faith and a relationship with Jesus if you treat Him differently than what He is. Example. you and I meet to go out to dinner. I start treating you like a cat by giving you cat food and squirting you with water when you sat on furniture. Now how do you think our relationship would be?
So reverential worship in Jesus Christ to the glory of God the Father in your opinion are people who do not put their trust in Jesus.
Every knee shall bow and every tongue confess (confession by the way is unto salvation) that Jesus Christ is Lord to the Glory of God the Father.
Which matches up very nicely with what we are commanded to teach which again is Jesus Christ is the saviour of ALL MEN.
You are projecting and accusing when I did not say that. Do you know putting your faith in Jesus even means?
Well we are talking about those verses so saying this in reply to those verses
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It is to put faith in Jesus AND repent or turn away from your sin. Demons believe Jesus is God and are not saved.
You cannot have faith and a relationship with Jesus if you treat Him differently than what He is. Example. you and I meet to go out to dinner. I start treating you like a cat by giving you cat food and squirting you with water when you sat on furniture. Now how do you think our relationship would be?
you are in effect saying what I said you were saying.
So if belief in Jesus is the requirement to be saved and the unredeemed believe, is then not their belief in Jesus of the same as those who right now believe? And if one believes in Jesus how can that one be called unredeemed?
What did Jesus say?
And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
you misunderstood my point if you think i referring to anything you posted in that quote.
If you refer to God counting the cost, and salvation at least twice, then I don't understand your comment above either. I wasn't disagreeing about universal reconciliation - absolutely not, only disagreeing with respect to the means of that reconciliation being 'salvation'. My view is that reconcilation is achieved through I am-ness.
And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.'
Today is the day of salvation.
A couple of things here jim.
First you say you agree we are commanded to teach Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, yet you then turn around and post scripture that you believe is contrary to Jesus Christ being the saviour of all men. That is very strange indeed.
Second Jesus broke down that wall of partition (the chasm) that was in place that separated the dead from the living because He is the resurrection.
And what does today mean to you?
It obviously does not mean today as we would understand the word or does it?
That scripture stating today is the day of salvation was written 2000 years ago so if it meant a literal today then no one has or can be saved for the last 2000 years.
Therefore we know it must be saying something a little different then the norm. Christians today use the term to mean 70+ years of this life to mean today. But where on the earth did they get this understanding that today =70+ years of life. They simply made it up because they believe that you have to believe in Christ in this life or before you die.
Jim the real meaning of today is the day of salvation has to do with when the word of God comes to you/the individual that is your/their day of salvation.
It has NOTHING to do with 70+ years of this life nor does it have anything to do with the next life, it has to do with when the word of God/Christ comes to each of us, that is our today.
If you refer to God counting the cost, and salvation at least twice, then I don't understand your comment above either. I wasn't disagreeing about universal reconciliation - absolutely not, only disagreeing with respect to the means of that reconciliation being 'salvation'. My view is that reconcilation is achieved through I am-ness.
Salvation is not a one shot deal as in the sinners prayer. Salvation is actually a way of life that starts with being reconciled in Christ and is suppose to be our daily walk in Christ throughout this life.
First you say you agree we are commanded to teach Jesus Christ is the saviour of all men, yet you then turn around and post scripture that you believe is contrary to Jesus Christ being the saviour of all men. That is very strange indeed.
Second Jesus broke down that wall of partition (the chasm) that was in place that separated the dead from the living because He is the resurrection.
And what does today mean to you?
It obviously does not mean today as we would understand the word or does it?
That scripture stating today is the day of salvation was written 2000 years ago so if it meant a literal today then no one has or can be saved for the last 2000 years.
Therefore we know it must be saying something a little different then the norm. Christians today use the term to mean 70+ years of this life to mean today. But where on the earth did they get this understanding that today =70+ years of life. They simply made it up because they believe that you have to believe in Christ in this life or before you die.
Jim the real meaning of today is the day of salvation has to do with when the word of God comes to you/the individual that is your/their day of salvation.
It has NOTHING to do with 70+ years of this life nor does it have anything to do with the next life, it has to do with when the word of God/Christ comes to each of us, that is our today.
Jesus is the savior of all men, but faith is required to access it.
Can you provide a scriptural reference for the chasm being bridged? How about people being saved after death?
*My name is Jimmie or jimmiej, not Jim.
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