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Old 05-17-2019, 05:23 AM
 
Location: the Kingdom of His dear Son
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“Our belief is that man, being governed and trained through time, a good and happy result must ensue to each individual.

The idea of hell fire and eternal torment, when properly considered, is an idea that is alike blasphemous and illogical.

God has ordained that every man shall sooner or later, recognize and appreciate His blessings.

Nothing else is consistent with His determinate will.

God is a God of infinite goodness, not of vengeance; to be loved; to be worshiped for love’s sake, not through fear of everlasting punishment.

We believe that every man will eventually love Him, and strive more and more to serve Him.” -Ross Winans-

"That IN/EN the Name of Jesus every knee shall bow & every tongue confess, You are Lord to the glory of God the Father."

Please note the dimensions of this worship.

1. The heavens.

2. The earth.

3. The underworld.

 
Old 05-17-2019, 05:46 AM
 
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Questions Requiring Answers

As we are required to love our enemies, may we not safely infer that God loves His enemies? (Matt. 5:44)

If God loves His enemies, will He punish them more than will be for their good?

Would endless punishment be for the good of any being?

As God loves His friends, if He loves His enemies also, are not all mankind the objects of His love?

If God loves those only who love Him, what better is He than the sinner? (Luke 6:32-33)

As "love thinks no evil," can God design the ultimate evil of a single soul? (1 Cor. 13:5)

As "love works no ill," can God inflict, or cause, or allow to be inflicted, an endless ill? (Rom. 13:10)

As we are forbidden to be overcome by evil, can we safely suppose that God will be overcome by evil? (Rom. 12:21)

Would not the infliction of endless punishment prove that God HAD been overcome by evil?

If man does wrong in returning evil for evil, would not God do wrong if He was to do the same?

Would not endless punishment be the return of evil for evil?

As we are commanded "to overcome evil with good," may we not safely infer that God will do the same? (Rom. 12:21)

Would the infliction of endless punishment be overcoming evil with good?

Questions by A. C. Thomas
 
Old 05-17-2019, 05:51 AM
 
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Dr. William Barclay

The word for punishment is kolasis. The word was originally a gardening word, and its original meaning was pruning trees. In Greek there are two words for punishment, timoria and kolasis, and there is a quite definite distinction between them.

Aristotle defines the difference; kolasis is for the sake of the one who suffers it; timoria is for the sake of the one who inflicts it.

Plato says that no one punishes (kolazei) simply because he has done wrong - that would be to take unreasonable vengeance (timoreitai).

We punish (kolazei) a wrong-doer in order that he may not do wrong again (Protagoras 323 E). Clement of Alexandria (Stromateis 4.24; 7.16) defines kolasis as pure discipline, and timoria as the return of evil for evil. Aulus Gellius says that kolasis is given that a man may be corrected; timoria is given that dignity and authority may be vindicated (The Attic Nights7.14). The difference is quite clear in Greek and it is always observed. Timoria is retributive punishment.

Kolasis is always given to amend and to cure.

From The Apostles’ Creed by William Barclay.

Are our broadest hopes broad enough? Shall there be a nook or abyss, in all the universe of God, finally unlightened by the Cross? Shall there be a sin, or sorrow, or pain unhealed? Is the very universe, is creation in all its extent, a field wide enough for the Son of God?
 
Old 05-19-2019, 04:28 AM
 
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“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.” -John A.D. Mauricq-

Romans 5

"You know the story of how Adam landed us in the dilemma we’re in—first sin, then death, and no one exempt from either sin or death. That sin disturbed relations with God in everything and everyone, but the extent of the disturbance was not clear until God spelled it out in detail to Moses.

So death, this huge abyss separating us from God, dominated the landscape from Adam to Moses. Even those who didn’t sin precisely as Adam did by disobeying a specific command of God still had to experience this termination of life, this separation from God. But Adam, who got us into this, also points ahead to the One who will get us out of it.

Yet the rescuing gift is not exactly parallel to the death-dealing sin. If one man’s sin put crowds of people at the dead-end abyss of separation from God, just think what God’s gift poured through one man, Jesus Christ, will do!

There’s no comparison between that death-dealing sin and this generous, life-giving gift.

The verdict on that one sin was the death sentence; the verdict on the many sins that followed was this wonderful life sentence. If death got the upper hand through one man’s wrongdoing, can you imagine the breathtaking recovery life makes, sovereign life, in those who grasp with both hands this wildly extravagant life-gift, this grand setting-everything-right, that the one man Jesus Christ provides?

Here it is in a nutshell:

Just as one person did it wrong and got us in all this trouble with sin and death, another person did it right and got us out of it. But more than just getting us out of trouble, he got us into life! One man said no to God and put many people in the wrong; one man said yes to God and put many in the right." -The Message-
 
Old 05-19-2019, 05:38 AM
 
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“Nothing can be more contrary to the divine nature and attributes, than for a God all wise, all-good, all-powerful, and all-perfect, to bestow existence on any being Who He foreknows must terminate in wretchedness and misery without respite of end. His goodness could never give birth to any one being, and much less to numberless beings whose end He foresaw would be irretrievable misery; nor could even His justice inflict everlasting punishment.

God made all His creatures finally to be happy; He could never make any whose end He foreknew would be misery everlasting. God is love; infinite benevolence alone prompted Him to action, and infinite benevolence combined with unerring wisdom, and supported by irresistible power, will infallibly accomplish its purpose in the best possible manner.” -Thomas Newton-
 
Old 05-20-2019, 06:30 AM
 
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“And thus, on the grand and final consummation, when every will shall be subdued to the will of good to all, our Jesus will take in hand the resigned chordage of our hearts. He will tune them as so many instruments, and will touch them with the finger of His own divine feelings. Then shall the wisdom, the might, the goodness of our God, become the wisdom, might and goodness of all His intelligent creatures. The happiness of each shall multiply and overflow in the wishes and participation of the happiness of all. The universe shall begin to sound with the song of congratulation, and all voices shall break forth in an eternal hallelujah of praise transcending praise, and glory transcending glory to God and the Lamb.” - Henry Brooke-

Finish Line Ahead
 
Old 05-20-2019, 06:33 AM
 
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“If suffering was eternal, we should be compelled to conceive of it as independent, as subsisting by itself, or to admit something still more monstrous, for if it was not self-existent, if it was dependent on the divine will, God would be the direct author of eternal suffering.

But what Christ said is now and ever will be true:- ‘Come unto me all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.’ And one day all will come unto Him. The world, deluged with light, and feeling within itself, with the revival of hope, the revival also of faith and love, shall salute that day with songs of joy.” F. De La Mennais (1782-1854)

Finish Line Ahead
 
Old 05-20-2019, 06:53 AM
 
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But what Christ said is now and ever will be true:- ‘Come unto me all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.’ And one day all will come unto Him. The world, deluged with light, and feeling within itself, with the revival of hope, the revival also of faith and love, shall salute that day with songs of joy.” F. De La Mennais (1782-1854)
What a beautiful thought to start my Monday morning! It's going to be a great week.
 
Old 05-20-2019, 02:00 PM
 
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What a beautiful thought to start my Monday morning! It's going to be a great week.
My friend, the words of the Master makes living worth while.

A few years ago we were in fellowship with George & Rhoda Hawtin. While waiting in the massive O Hare airport, the Lord spoke to him in one of the waiting lounges.

"George, do you see these many people walking before you?"

"I have a purpose for every one!"

"Come unto me all you that labor and are heavy laden, and I will give rest."
 
Old 05-20-2019, 02:03 PM
 
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“The drama of creation begins with a scene in which the first Adam takes a step that Ieads all his posterity into ruin and death. It closes with a vision in which the last Adam presents to the Father, as a fruit of His Cross and Throne, a universe of beings delivered from sin and death, and worshipping in adoring wonder at His feet. This is the “purpose of the ages.” (Eph. 3:11). This is the goal of creation. Then will Christ see of the travail of His soul and be SATISFIED.” -A.E. Saxby-

Romans 5:18,19

"For as by one man’s disobedience polus were made sinners,

SO

by the obedience of One shall polus be made righteous.

Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound/pleonazo.

BUT

But where sin pleonazo (ed), grace did much more abound/huperperisseuo (ed)"

Jesus Christ the predestined Lord of the Universe meets pleonazo with huperperisseuo!

Sin abounds: His grace abounds beyond measure!

Sin abounds: His grace abounds exceedingly!

Sin abounds: His grace overflows the banks!

The Scope Of Adam one: Pleonazo

Pleonazo=

To superabound/ to exist in abundance.

To increase/ be augmented/ to make increase.

The Reconciliation Of Jesus Christ: Combination Of Huper+Perisseuo

Huper=

In behalf of/ For the sake of.

Over/ beyond/ more than.

More/ Beyond/ Over.

Perisseuo=

To exceed a fixed number of measure.

To be left over and above a certain number or measure.

To be over/ to remain.

To exist or be at hand in abundance.

To be great (abundant)

A thing which comes in abundance, or overflows unto one.

Something falls to the lot of one in large measure.

To redound unto, turn out abundantly for, a thing.

To abound, overflow.

To be abundantly furnished with, to have in abundance.

Abound, to be in affluence.

To be pre-eminent, to excel.

To excel more than. To exceed.

To make to abound.

To furnish one richly so that he has abundance.

To make abundant or excellent.

Huper & Perisseuo= Huperperisseuo=

Huperperisseuo=

To abound beyond measure/ abound exceedingly.

To overflow/ to enjoy abundantly.

Perisseuo Rooted In Perissos

Perissos=

Exceeding some number or measure or rank or need.

Over and above, more than is necessary, super-added.

Exceeding abundantly, supremely.

Something further/ more/ much more than all/ more plainly.

Superior, extraordinary, surpassing, uncommon.

Pre-eminence, superiority, advantage, more eminent, more remarkable, more excellent.

Assuredly the Bible is not the story of sin, deepening into eternal ruin, of God’s Son, worsted in His utmost effort; it is from the opening to the close the story of grace stronger than sin–of life victorious over every form of death–of God triumphing over evil.

His grace superabounds!
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